1. Did you read the article? There was quite a bit more to it than just the last two sentences.
2. Again...it was false to say he'd been spouting that line for years.
“Socialism destroyed my home”.
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2. Again...it was false to say he'd been spouting that line for years.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Yes, literally it was "false" to say he'd been saying it for years. But if his web site had the link to the guy who DID say it up for "years" is it effectively unfair to suggest he shard the opinion?
As I said - of course he's going to promise us "Scandinavia." But in fact what he is attempting to deliver (for the reasons I pointed out in the post you dodged) is Venezuela.
You are dodging my post all together. I don't like Sanders and wouldn't vote for him. I don't care what he promises. My point was that I prefer honesty in the debate. He didn't say what the poster claimed he'd said.
Colorforms
Senator
You can disagree if you want, it doesn't change reality. Russia has its share of wealthy, just like China. Socialism isn't about the people, it's about power being consolidated at the top.
The Sage of Main Street
Governor
Sperm Bingo Is Not a Game of Skill
Only if being born rich can be considered a "choice." The Preppies' representation as adults in the next 1% is twenty times what it logically should be. That has to mean that HeirHeads also determine whom they will allow to class-climb. For their own protection, they will mandate that "self-made" success be based on brown-nosing, not brains.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
And you refuse to admit that linking to the sentiment (say, as someone does here to an opinion piece with which they agree) is a distinction without a difference.
Details matter. The allegation was that he'd been saying that for years.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Only to people who are putting forth a losing argument.
https://www.salon.com/2019/02/22/democrats-in-florida-blast-bernie-sanders-for-refusing-to-call-venezuelas-nicolas-maduro-a-dictator/
How odd...I don't remember putting forth an argument supporting Sanders. What I remember is pointing out that the post was false.
EatTheRich
President
It doesn’t take a utopia to be an improvement on capitalism. The first socialist societies will naturally be the most capitalistic and therefore backward, just as the first capitalist societies were the most stamped by feudalism. Yet you use the fact of inadequate progress away from a society that turns people into creeps as an argument against any progress.
EatTheRich
President
Well, a considerable number ended up going back, and not a few have made the trip the other way. But that’s not really the point. If the U.S. offered automatic residency and job placement to any Irish person who came over, there would be Irish boat people trying to get into the richest country on Earth. The U.S. offers special privilege to lure Cuban immigrants and then pretends as if that proves something about Cuba other than that for al it’s progress it hasn’t yet caught up to the U.S. economically.
EatTheRich
President
To a considerable extent. Mostly the leaders of the opposition ...
EatTheRich
President
People don’t choose to live check to check. The capitalist system depends on the average wage being just enough to subsist on till the next paycheck.
EatTheRich
President
Russia and China are countries where ... after bloody counterrevolutions ... capitalism has been restored. If the governing caste had been set to rule economically under socialism, they wouldn’t have fought so hard to bring capitalism back.
Colorforms
Senator
We allowed China to adopt a faux capitalism through our opening it up for trade. It has had its wealthy all through its history, however. Same with Russia. In socialist nations, the wealthy and the political class are all the same class. China has created a new workers class in order to power its factories and run production out of necessity.
redtide
Mayor
yes they do and it is almost always a culmination of the choices they made in life. the only ones who believe differently are those who seek to blame others for their lot in life. SAD
Woolleybugger
Mayor
Hate? My lord you folks are too much. I don't hate anyone, I pity some but hate? No way.
your post proves you're a HATER
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Yes of course people choose to live paycheck to paycheck... whether or not they are intelligent enough to realize it.
redtide
Mayor
surely you don't believe that so why would you expect that I would?
