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freyasman

Senator
Killing a robber is not saving a life. It's taking one.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Street_robberies_and_you___The_Basics/5-1285487/
From the link;
"The Enemy

Some may object to me calling hold up men "the enemy". You can call them whatever you like. I can assure you however they are as deadly an enemy as you will find anywhere but the battlefield. Even many soldiers probably lack the viciousness and utter disregard for life most hold up men possess.

No one wakes up in the morning one day and decides to become an armed robber. It is a gradual process that requires some experience and desensitizing. Before a man will pick up a gun and threaten to kill people who have done him no harm in order to get their usually meager possessions he has to get comfortable with some things.

He has to get used to seeing others as objects for him to exploit. He has to accept he may be killed while robbing. He has to accept the felony conviction for Robbery will haunt him all his life. He has to accept he may need to kill a completely innocent person to get away with his crime.

This is a process that starts with stealing candy at the corner store as a child. It progresses through bigger property crimes that may also involve violence. But one day G gets tired of selling his stolen property for nothing and decides it would be better to steal cash. Cut out all that tiresome sales stuff.


Keep in mind many petty thieves, auto burglars, residential and commercial burglars, paper thieves, and hustlers will get to that point and decide not to become armed robbers. Most will. It is a special group of outliers who decide threatening to kill people for a few dollars is the way to go.

Once a man starts armed robbing he has crossed a line most won't. Don't forget that when you are looking these bastards in the eye. Their decision to kill you is already made. Your life means nothing to him. Only his does. His sole motivation for not killing you is he doesn't want a murder case. He has already accepted he may pick one up though.

We hunt hold up men around the clock once they are identified. We send teams of fire breathing fence jumper/door kickers to find them. We will bring their mother to the office and convince her she is going to jail if we don't have Junior in our office in an hour. We have her call her son crying hysterically for him to turn himself in before she is arrested and held without bond as a material witness and her home seized for harboring him. Most of the time they won't. [Unwelcome language removed] their own momma.

We will hit all Juniors friends and family's houses. We make it so no one will harbor him. He is so hot no one will let him in their house or even talk on the phone with him. We put money on him so he knows he is right to be betrayed and set up. We do this because of one thing.

That thing is they WILL kill someone if they keep robbing. That is why the city is willing to pay all the overtime. They don't want the murders. Think about that when you see Junior coming. The more robberies he does the closer he is to killing someone. Maybe you.


The guys who hit you on the street are gang members. They are Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Crips, Sureonos, many others. They do not see themselves as part of society. The street is all they know. They don't expect to live long or stay out of prison. They take a delight in your fear and suffering. They are warped individuals for the most part. They can be extremely dangerous.

One time we were locking up a hold up man and having a conversation about how they target their victims. I was saying they pick easy ones, another guy was saying they preferred easy ones but would take anybody.

I pointed out a uniform Officer there was an NFL size guy to that hold up man. Frankly the dude was a monster. I asked hold up man if he would rob him. He said "If I needed the money".

 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
All armed people are dangerous. That's pretty much the point of being armed.
Armed robbers are a distinct threat to the lives of those around them - hence the enhanced penalty for robbery vs. burglary. Stats bear this out as well.

Why do you hate science?
 

Spamature

President
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Street_robberies_and_you___The_Basics/5-1285487/
From the link;
"The Enemy

Some may object to me calling hold up men "the enemy". You can call them whatever you like. I can assure you however they are as deadly an enemy as you will find anywhere but the battlefield. Even many soldiers probably lack the viciousness and utter disregard for life most hold up men possess.

No one wakes up in the morning one day and decides to become an armed robber. It is a gradual process that requires some experience and desensitizing. Before a man will pick up a gun and threaten to kill people who have done him no harm in order to get their usually meager possessions he has to get comfortable with some things.

He has to get used to seeing others as objects for him to exploit. He has to accept he may be killed while robbing. He has to accept the felony conviction for Robbery will haunt him all his life. He has to accept he may need to kill a completely innocent person to get away with his crime.

This is a process that starts with stealing candy at the corner store as a child. It progresses through bigger property crimes that may also involve violence. But one day G gets tired of selling his stolen property for nothing and decides it would be better to steal cash. Cut out all that tiresome sales stuff.


Keep in mind many petty thieves, auto burglars, residential and commercial burglars, paper thieves, and hustlers will get to that point and decide not to become armed robbers. Most will. It is a special group of outliers who decide threatening to kill people for a few dollars is the way to go.

Once a man starts armed robbing he has crossed a line most won't. Don't forget that when you are looking these bastards in the eye. Their decision to kill you is already made. Your life means nothing to him. Only his does. His sole motivation for not killing you is he doesn't want a murder case. He has already accepted he may pick one up though.

We hunt hold up men around the clock once they are identified. We send teams of fire breathing fence jumper/door kickers to find them. We will bring their mother to the office and convince her she is going to jail if we don't have Junior in our office in an hour. We have her call her son crying hysterically for him to turn himself in before she is arrested and held without bond as a material witness and her home seized for harboring him. Most of the time they won't. [Unwelcome language removed] their own momma.

We will hit all Juniors friends and family's houses. We make it so no one will harbor him. He is so hot no one will let him in their house or even talk on the phone with him. We put money on him so he knows he is right to be betrayed and set up. We do this because of one thing.

That thing is they WILL kill someone if they keep robbing. That is why the city is willing to pay all the overtime. They don't want the murders. Think about that when you see Junior coming. The more robberies he does the closer he is to killing someone. Maybe you.


The guys who hit you on the street are gang members. They are Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Crips, Sureonos, many others. They do not see themselves as part of society. The street is all they know. They don't expect to live long or stay out of prison. They take a delight in your fear and suffering. They are warped individuals for the most part. They can be extremely dangerous.

One time we were locking up a hold up man and having a conversation about how they target their victims. I was saying they pick easy ones, another guy was saying they preferred easy ones but would take anybody.

I pointed out a uniform Officer there was an NFL size guy to that hold up man. Frankly the dude was a monster. I asked hold up man if he would rob him. He said "If I needed the money".
Nobody is saying that stick men are good guys in any way, shape, form, or fashion. But their primarily want to get the money and go. They're hope is the gun will allow them to do that without resistance. The armed potential victim on the other hand my have more intention of using their gun to shoot the robber than the robber has intention to shoot them. Which is what it is, but attending church with the intention of shooting someone seems a bit antithetical.
 

Spamature

President
Armed robbers are a distinct threat to the lives of those around them - hence the enhanced penalty for robbery vs. burglary. Stats bear this out as well.

Why do you hate science?
A gun itself is a distinct threat to the lives around, because that is what guns are for. I am pretty sure the stats bear that out as well.
 

freyasman

Senator
Nobody is saying that stick men are good guys in any way, shape, form, or fashion. But their primarily want to get the money and go. They're hope is the gun will allow them to do that without resistance. The armed potential victim on the other hand my have more intention of using their gun to shoot the robber than the robber has intention to shoot them. Which is what it is, but attending church with the intention of shooting someone seems a bit antithetical.
Who the hell said anything about "intending to shoot someone"? Other than you? We carry guns so we can do something besides just die when a someone comes around intending to shoot us.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
A gun itself is a distinct threat to the lives around, because that is what guns are for. I am pretty sure the stats bear that out as well.
Whether or not this is the case, it is wholly irrelevant to your kooky assertion that it is mere protection of $$ at play.

Focus. :)
 

Spamature

President
Whether or not this is the case, it is wholly irrelevant to your kooky assertion that it is mere protection of $$ at play.

Focus. :)
I responded to his comment. It was not me who brought up the subject of shooting armed robbers at church. I suppose that came from a lack of proselytizing ability on the part of his congregation.
 

Spamature

President
Who the hell said anything about "intending to shoot someone"? Other than you? We carry guns so we can do something besides just die when a someone comes around intending to shoot us.
If nobody carrying a gun has the intent to shoot anyone then why worry about an armed robber ? Since neither one of you have the intention of using their gun for its intended purpose.
 

freyasman

Senator
If nobody carrying a gun has the intent to shoot anyone then why worry about an armed robber ? Since neither one of you have the intention of using their gun for its intended purpose.
I don't "intend" to ever shoot anyone again. I'm ready and willing to every day.
 

freyasman

Senator
Maybe not the legal definition of "intent". The very act of carrying does show an expectation to that end, small that it might be.
The world is full of a lot of very good people, some not-so-good people, and a few evil fvcks that can't be dealt with any other way than by shooting them in the face. Every adult knows this, they just want somebody else to do it for them.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
You want people to go into their places of worship with weapons ? Yeah, bunch of armed Muslims in a Mosque would go over really well in middle America and no concern would ever be raised by the local populace, right ?
would you rather they had airplanes?
 
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