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California drought has ended, climate change nuts.

EatTheRich

President
Dude. I am a chemist by training, a Chem E by vocation. I understand the science. Very well. What I reject is simple:

1) Attribution of all weather, climate, and tectonic events to AGW. It has become cartoonish.

2) Prescriptive address of AGW which entails surrendering individual and private sovereignties to increasing state reach and control.
1. Take it up with the math that shows that current weather patterns are consistent with AGW and inconsistent with any combination of proposed natural mechanisms including random variation.
2. Then let’s smash the capitalist state so we can begin to actually address the emergency.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
1. Take it up with the math that shows that current weather patterns are consistent with AGW and inconsistent with any combination of proposed natural mechanisms including random variation.
2. Then let’s smash the capitalist state so we can begin to actually address the emergency.
State-smashing of any sort is not of interest to me - least of all because of weather and climate.

I will post this just ONCE more to you collectivists and statists:

When your prescription for every perceived problem...from AGW, to healthcare, to gun violence, to income inequality...is INVARIABLY reducing individual and private liberty and autonomy and increasing external controls and imposition of additional limitations on folks — you surrender all credibility that actual address of these issues is your goal. When the singular solution to all alleged crises is the one same thing, your true agenda is revealed.

Further, while I know that your solution for all of these - and every other “crisis” - is incorrect and ineffectual...even if it were to serve as “fix”, I’d still reject it because the cure is worse than the disease. If tossing my firstborn into the mouth of a volcano would stop its eruption, I’d tell you no. It ain’t happening.

So, while you may feel free to continue to attribute every hot/cold, dry/wet, wind/calm, and tectonic event to AGW. It will have the effect of crying wolf. What you try to pass off as additional data point will be viewed as attempts at inducing panic and shark-jumping.
 

Nostra

Governor
As projected. Cold snaps are extreme weather events as well, and their numbers are down also. But the ones that do occur tend to be worse. And when all the other extreme weather events are considered, there is no question that on the whole such events are becoming more common.
Once again a Cultists tries to use weather to prove MMGW.

You can't use weather, as you Cultists point out anytime someone questions MMGW using weather.

You want to have it both ways. Not gonna work.
 

Nostra

Governor
1. Take it up with the math that shows that current weather patterns are consistent with AGW and inconsistent with any combination of proposed natural mechanisms including random variation.
2. Then let’s smash the capitalist state so we can begin to actually address the emergency.

Current weather patterns are consistent with nature. Climate has been changing for billions of years.

There is no emergency, except in the brainwashed minds of MMGW Cultist simpletons.
 

EatTheRich

President
State-smashing of any sort is not of interest to me - least of all because of weather and climate.

I will post this just ONCE more to you collectivists and statists:

When your prescription for every perceived problem...from AGW, to healthcare, to gun violence, to income inequality...is INVARIABLY reducing individual and private liberty and autonomy and increasing external controls and imposition of additional limitations on folks — you surrender all credibility that actual address of these issues is your goal. When the singular solution to all alleged crises is the one same thing, your true agenda is revealed.

Further, while I know that your solution for all of these - and every other “crisis” - is incorrect and ineffectual...even if it were to serve as “fix”, I’d still reject it because the cure is worse than the disease. If tossing my firstborn into the mouth of a volcano would stop its eruption, I’d tell you no. It ain’t happening.

So, while you may feel free to continue to attribute every hot/cold, dry/wet, wind/calm, and tectonic event to AGW. It will have the effect of crying wolf. What you try to pass off as additional data point will be viewed as attempts at inducing panic and shark-jumping.
You miss the point ... you think that because you are committed to an ideology and then decide what to believe based on whether it supports that ideology that that’s what the rest of us do. That’s what makes you a right-winger. I am a leftist because I start with the facts, the objective real world, and then look for solutions that are consistent with reality. My “ideology” comes in response to the facts rather than determining what I believe. And your caricature of it “(“reducing liberty”) is as inaccurate as the rest of your ideologically skewed version of the world.
 

EatTheRich

President
Current weather patterns are consistent with nature. Climate has been changing for billions of years.

There is no emergency, except in the brainwashed minds of MMGW Cultist simpletons.
“Consistent with nature” only in that humans are natural. Not consistent with weather patterns free from human interference. The rate of change is off the charts, we haven’t seen the like for tens of millions of years.
 

Days

Commentator
No, the drastic change in the composition of the atmosphere has led to more heat being retained in the troposphere.
the troposphere doesn't retain heat. There is no sheet of glass over it. Your theory is totally looney tunes. You have graphed yur database of surface temps and pretended that it changes the nature of the atmosphere... it doesn't. Then you point at high pressure zones that have been there for billions of years and say they prove that the atmosphere retains heat; completely ludicrous.

you R pushin' politics ETR
 

Nostra

Governor
“Consistent with nature” only in that humans are natural. Not consistent with weather patterns free from human interference. The rate of change is off the charts, we haven’t seen the like for tens of millions of years.
Completely consistent with weather patterns free from human interference.

If this rate of change happened tens of millions of years ago, that proves it is natural and without human influence.

Oops!
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
You miss the point ... you think that because you are committed to an ideology and then decide what to believe based on whether it supports that ideology that that’s what the rest of us do. That’s what makes you a right-winger. I am a leftist because I start with the facts, the objective real world, and then look for solutions that are consistent with reality. My “ideology” comes in response to the facts rather than determining what I believe. And your caricature of it “(“reducing liberty”) is as inaccurate as the rest of your ideologically skewed version of the world.
This is nonsense. The only “ideology” you can accurately accuse me of is that which insists that sacrificing liberty is a deal-breaker. You, however, have centralized coercion as centerpiece to EVERY solution. Actually, it is just ONE solution for every perceived problem (as I noted in my previous post).

“Smash the capitalist state”... but it’s the other guy that has an ideology. “Just the facts”.

:confused:
 

4/15

Mayor
the troposphere doesn't retain heat. There is no sheet of glass over it. Your theory is totally looney tunes. You have graphed yur database of surface temps and pretended that it changes the nature of the atmosphere... it doesn't. Then you point at high pressure zones that have been there for billions of years and say they prove that the atmosphere retains heat; completely ludicrous.

you R pushin' politics ETR
The CO2 in the atmosphere is what retains heat.
 

Days

Commentator
The CO2 in the atmosphere is what retains heat.
heat rises, when CO2 is hot it rises too, when the CO2 cools off, it falls back to earth. There's nothing magical about carbon dioxide and the atmosphere has always had carbon dioxide; heat still rises, dissipates, and leaves the system. The atmosphere DOES NOT RETAIN HEAT. The world is not going to end in 12 years, the sky is not falling, except when it rains. There really was global warming 12,000 years ago but it happened because a small moon exploded over the north pole, added a ridiculous amount of heat and that heat melted an entire ice cap, so as the ice comes back it puts out heat, so the surface temps have remained hot. But thinking that CO2 is causing global warming in a closed system that has had CO2 in it from the beginning... that is just scientific nonsense.
 
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4/15

Mayor
As the atmosphere temp rises it also heats cooling CO2. We do not have a closed system of CO2 as there is more in the air now than ever before because of man and his removing the natural CO2 sinks like trees. Even the oceans are fuller of CO2 now than ever before.
 

Nostra

Governor
As the atmosphere temp rises it also heats cooling CO2. We do not have a closed system of CO2 as there is more in the air now than ever before because of man and his removing the natural CO2 sinks like trees. Even the oceans are fuller of CO2 now than ever before.
CO2 was at 4,000 PPM in the past. It is now at about 400 PPM.

Your lies are exposed.

Concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere were as high as 4,000 parts per million (ppm) during the Cambrian period about 500 million years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth's_atmosphere
 

EatTheRich

President
heat rises, when CO2 is hot it rises too, when the CO2 cools off, it falls back to earth. There's nothing magical about carbon dioxide and the atmosphere has always had carbon dioxide; heat still rises, dissipates, and leaves the system. The atmosphere DOES NOT RETAIN HEAT. The world is not going to end in 12 years, the sky is not falling, except when it rains. There really was global warming 12,000 years ago but it happened because a small moon exploded over the north pole, added a ridiculous amount of heat and that heat melted an entire ice cap, so as the ice comes back it puts out heat, so the surface temps have remained hot. But thinking that CO2 is causing global warming in a closed system that has had CO2 in it from the beginning... that is just scientific nonsense.
Feel free to publish the evidence based on which you completely upended all known physics and claim your Nobel Prizes.
 

EatTheRich

President
Really? if that is so then you agree that the so called consensus of scientists are just trying to further the climate cults cause then. Kudos to you. Maybe there is hope for you yet
No, all your claims about what scientists don’t know are false.
 
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