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Trump betrayed America at least 3 times

RickWA

Snagglesooth
1. Trump believed Putin's claim that Russia didn't meddle in the 2106 election.

2. Trump believed MSB's claim that he wasn't responsible for the torture, murder and dismemberment of American resident Khashoggi.

3. Trump believed Kim Jong Un's claim that he wasn't responsible for torturing young American Otto into a coma and subsequent death.

We don't need the Mueller report to know that Trump as president has betrayed America time and time again.
Honestly, Julie, the problem here is that some folks just won’t discuss things reasonably. “Treason”, “traitor”, “betray” - these words have meaning.

Trump is an intemperate pig. He’s a selfish, amoral billionaire playboy. He’s immature. He’s indolent. He is impossibly self-absorbed and undisciplined. He’s a serial philanderer, a liar, and a horrible role model to all. For all I know, he has cheated like heck in business the way he has cheated on his spouse(s). He has allowed his anger to drive him to all manner of weird statements about many issues. Petty like I’ve never seen in my lifetime.

But it is tough to frame his intemperate, unmeasured words as national treason or betrayal. There’s a high burden of proof there - and he (Trump) has been a complete jerk to Russia and Russian interests. Has he made things easier or harder on Iran? How are those sanctions relative to where they were under his predecessor? That is a high-profile, long term key Russian ally. How about Syria? Again, an historic Russian ally. Doesn’t this seem to contradict at least some of the “Russian operative” narrative?

Maybe Trump just SUCKS as badly as a puppet automaton as he does as a husband? He’s even bad at being bought off? Ya think? Anything is possible, I guess...

I can’t stand so much of what he says and does. But if I don’t violently hate it ALL. EVERYTHING... And if I don’t reflexively attribute it to abject loyalty to foreign powers, I am a Trump acolyte.

Welp, this is where we are...so I’ll respond for you here:

“That’s a good Trumpie”.

(And maybe something about a male member - you seem to serially lob that sort of filth as well).

Have a nice night.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
1. Trump believed Putin's claim that Russia didn't meddle in the 2106 election.

2. Trump believed MSB's claim that he wasn't responsible for the torture, murder and dismemberment of American resident Khashoggi.

3. Trump believed Kim Jong Un's claim that he wasn't responsible for torturing young American Otto into a coma and subsequent death.

We don't need the Mueller report to know that Trump as president has betrayed America time and time again.
Yet for 8 years you never once posted of Obobo's betrayal to America and it could cost you your head.

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/26863737-how-obama-betrayed-america-and-no-one-is-holding-him-accountable
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Honestly, Julie, the problem here is that some folks just won’t discuss things reasonably. “Treason”, “traitor”, “betray” - these words have meaning.

Trump is an intemperate pig. He’s a selfish, amoral billionaire playboy. He’s immature. He’s indolent. He is impossibly self-absorbed and undisciplined. He’s a serial philanderer, a liar, and a horrible role model to all. For all I know, he has cheated like heck in business the way he has cheated on his spouse(s). He has allowed his anger to drive him to all manner of weird statements about many issues. Petty like I’ve never seen in my lifetime.

But it is tough to frame his intemperate, unmeasured words as national treason or betrayal. There’s a high burden of proof there - and he (Trump) has been a complete jerk to Russia and Russian interests. Has he made things easier or harder on Iran? How are those sanctions relative to where they were under his predecessor? That is a high-profile, long term key Russian ally. How about Syria? Again, an historic Russian ally. Doesn’t this seem to contradict at least some of the “Russian operative” narrative?

Maybe Trump just SUCKS as badly as a puppet automaton as he does as a husband? He’s even bad at being bought off? Ya think? Anything is possible, I guess...

I can’t stand so much of what he says and does. But if I don’t violently hate it ALL. EVERYTHING... And if I don’t reflexively attribute it to abject loyalty to foreign powers, I am a Trump acolyte.

Welp, this is where we are...so I’ll respond for you here:

“That’s a good Trumpie”.

(And maybe something about a male member - you seem to serially lob that sort of filth as well).

Have a nice night.
I purposely used the word BETRAY because it's not a legal term.
When a president sides with foreign govts, two being hostile, against our own Intel, that's a betrayal against America and our interests.
You take the time to say what a despicable human being Trump is, yet you just can't make yourself say that Trump was wrong for doing that. In fact, you give him a pass.
 

RickWA

Snagglesooth
I purposely used the word BETRAY because it's not a legal term.
When a president sides with foreign govts, two being hostile, against our own Intel, that's a betrayal against America and our interests.
You take the time to say what a despicable human being Trump is, yet you just can't make yourself say that Trump was wrong for doing that. In fact, you give him a pass.
He’s wrong for being a despicable human being. There. Good? Did you somehow think being a despicable human being would be a thing that is good and right? Wake up already.

He has PLENTY of poor character traits.

That doesn’t make one a betrayer of country. The pattern of (sometimes even wrongly) pressing America’s interests versus those SAME foes demonstrates this...if one is not invested in making one’s political opponent the locus of not just some...but ALL evil.

It’s gotta be ALL of it.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
He’s wrong for being a despicable human being. There. Good? Did you somehow think being a despicable human being would be a thing that is good and right? Wake up already.

He has PLENTY of poor character traits.

That doesn’t make one a betrayer of country. The pattern of (sometimes even wrongly) pressing America’s interests versus those SAME foes demonstrates this...if one is not invested in making one’s political opponent the locus of not just some...but ALL evil.

It’s gotta be ALL of it.
Yeah, sure, he’s got a personal flaw or two, but is it really important that he sides with Putin over America and seems to be in Putin’s pocket?

;-)
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
He’s wrong for being a despicable human being. There. Good? Did you somehow think being a despicable human being would be a thing that is good and right? Wake up already.

He has PLENTY of poor character traits.

That doesn’t make one a betrayer of country. The pattern of (sometimes even wrongly) pressing America’s interests versus those SAME foes demonstrates this...if one is not invested in making one’s political opponent the locus of not just some...but ALL evil.

It’s gotta be ALL of it.
I'm not talking about Trump's character.
I'm talking about 3 specific actions.....which I label as betrayal.
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
Trump is an intemperate pig. He’s a selfish, amoral billionaire playboy. He’s immature. He’s indolent. He is impossibly self-absorbed and undisciplined. He’s a serial philanderer, a liar, and a horrible role model to all. For all I know, he has cheated like heck in business the way he has cheated on his spouse(s). He has allowed his anger to drive him to all manner of weird statements about many issues. Petty like I’ve never seen in my lifetime.

Ok pretty accurate description - so explain why the right wingers on here love him so much and he / his family can do no wrong? That isn't a politcial platform they are defending, it is him and his family - right?
 
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