Nostra
Governor
Agnostics are not Christians.
In any event, he did not blow up the building in the name of Jesus.
Muslims do their deeds on the name of Allah. They follow the teachings of the Quran.
Obama and Hillary won't say the word "Christian"
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In any event, he did not blow up the building in the name of Jesus.
Muslims do their deeds on the name of Allah. They follow the teachings of the Quran.
He grew up a Catholic and claimed to still adhere to those beliefs. Seems to me that Tim didn't know the definition of agnostic.
In any case we have the very long list of "christians" who could be called terrorists...What you miss is that the majority of Muslims disavow the terrorists and will tell you that they are in violation of the Koran by killing innocents.
Nostra
Governor
The Quran is very specific about non-believers being put to death.
marvin martian
Emperor
Cite the chapters and verses in the Quran that prohibit the killing of non-muslims.
And have you read the section about killing women and children?
Nostra
Governor
Non-believers covers all ages and sexes.
There are a number of disagreements about that. Some scholars say that only pertains to time of war.
We know the Quran orders believers to fight in combat against those who are the oppressors, aggressors and terrorists and those who are assaulting and killing the innocent men, women and children. But it gives out clear orders - NOT TO Fight against those who are not fighting against you...
http://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/
If you are right, why haven't the billion or so Muslims risen up to slaughter infidels? Instead it is a small minority and they haven't done nearly the damage that German Christians did from 1939 to 1945.
4/15
Mayor
My muslim relatives tell me that that misunderstanding is brought on by fanatics who mis state the quran to get more people to die for them.
Nostra
Governor
The words are plain as day. Your Muslim friends are lying to you.
Nostra
Governor
The Qur’an tells us: “not to make friendship with Jews and Christians” (5:51), “kill the disbelievers wherever we find them” (2:191), “murder them and treat them harshly” (9:123), “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem”
(9:5). The Qur’an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises “If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them” (8:65).
Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews “until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (9:29).
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to “fight the unbelievers” and “He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them” (9:14).
The Qur’an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193).
It says that the “non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water” (14:17). It asks the Muslims to “slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (5:34).
And tells us that “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (22:19-22) and that they not only will have “disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire)” (22:9).
The Qur’an says that “those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy” (25:68).
For those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!” (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be “harsh with unbelievers”, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a “stern command”: “Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin.” (69:30-37)
The Qur’an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour” (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9).
(9:5). The Qur’an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises “If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them” (8:65).
Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews “until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (9:29).
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God tells us to “fight the unbelievers” and “He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them” (9:14).
The Qur’an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193).
It says that the “non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water” (14:17). It asks the Muslims to “slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (5:34).
And tells us that “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (22:19-22) and that they not only will have “disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire)” (22:9).
The Qur’an says that “those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy” (25:68).
For those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!” (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be “harsh with unbelievers”, our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a “stern command”: “Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin.” (69:30-37)
The Qur’an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour” (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9).
EatTheRich
President
He was a Catholic at the time of the attacks, he became an agnostic later.
Nostra
Governor
Nope.
His religion, or lack thereof, was not the reason behind the attack.
Muslim terrorist kill in the name of Allah, and do so following the explicit instructions of the Quran.
EatTheRich
President
Where? I know of such exhortations in the Bible (Deuteronomy 13 for example) but none in the Quran.
Nostra
Governor
EatTheRich
President
EatTheRich
President
The Bible also says not to be friends with nonbelievers and that they are going to Hell, remember? “Pagans” specifically excludes Christians and Jews. And none of the passages you cite actually calling for violence are for all cases regardless of circumstances, unlike in the Bible where ALL unbelievers are to be killed.I’ll wait for you to get caught up.
Nostra
Governor
Yes, the Quran calls for the murder of anyone who isn’t a Muslim.
And you are quoting from the Old Testament. I know of no Christian denomination based on the Old Testament instead of the New Testament.
Should we run some numbers comparing Muslims who kill in the expressed name of Allah. S those who kill in the name of Jesus. Not just the fact someone’s Wiki page lists them as Christian, that they actually carried out the deed in the name of Jesus.
You can show a handful of murders of abortion doctors over the past 50 years.
I can show you over 340 in just the latest Muslim attack in the last week.
EatTheRich
President
There are always the millions killed by Hitler.
The New Testament says to obey every jot and tittle of the Old Testament.
Nostra
Governor
If you think Hitler was a Christian, and committed genocide in the name of Jesus, you are dumber than a retarded box of hair.
EatTheRich
President
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.“-Adolf Hitler
“I say: my Christian feeling tells me that my lord and savior is a warrior. It calls my attention to the man who, lonely and surrounded by only a few supporters, recognized what they [the Jews] were, and called for a battle against them, and who, by God, was not the greatest sufferer, but the greatest warrior. . .
As a human being it is my duty to see to it that humanity will not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did that old civilization two thousand years ago, a civilization which was driven to its ruin by the Jews. . . I am convinced that I am really a devil and not a Christian if I do not feel compassion and do not wage war, as Christ did two thousand years ago, against those who are steeling and exploiting these poverty-stricken people.”-Adolf Hitler
“We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity … in fact our movement is Christian.”-Adolf Hitler
“The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were. [...] I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.”-Adolf Hitler
“If Almighty God granted success to this work, then the Party was His instrument.”-Adolf Hitler
“God the Almighty has made our nation. By defending its existence we are defending His work.”-Adolf Hitler
“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”Adolf Hitler
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