Yet another definitive data point demonstrating lefty non-introspection

EatTheRich · May 23, 2019

redtide said:
save for the fact that half the nation (while has wage withholding but gets it all back or more) pays no federal income tax but is still permitted to vote to steal from others.

Do you also consider it stealing when the bosses have to pay wages to the working class? Because, like wages, entitlements are compensation for the labor that the working class does.

RickWA · May 23, 2019

EatTheRich said:
Do you also consider it stealing when the bosses have to pay wages to the working class? Because, like wages, entitlements are compensation for the labor that the working class does.

...except for corporate welfare...right?

#thisiswhymarxistsoundbitesdontwork
#somethingfornothingistheprovinceofgodanditscalledgrace

EatTheRich · May 23, 2019

RickWA said:
...except for corporate welfare...right?

#thisiswhymarxistsoundbitesdontwork
#somethingfornothingistheprovinceofgodanditscalledgrace

“Corporate welfare” is another form of surplus value transferred from the producers to the parasitic rulers, alongside dividends, capital gains, rent, and interest.

Spamature · May 23, 2019

RickWA said:
My OP is not about Trump or Trump supporters...not even tangentially.

As far as “liberal tears”...modern lefty is not at all liberal...and any of his bodily secretions are unquestionably a horrific biohazard.

I didn't respond to your OP.

FakeName · May 23, 2019

RickWA said:
Note the NYT piece here documenting the phenomenon of conservatives and/or rightists being assaulted with milkshakes in the UK:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-are-milkshakes-being-thrown-at-right-wing-politicians-like-nigel-farage/ar-AABGtnW?ocid=spartandhp

Highly incisive piece, eh?

Did you see any analysis of who is engaging in this practice and what movement they are a part of? Are the milkshake (and egg) assault folks pegged as "leftist" or "left-wing"? No. Of course not. These are merely "protests" and the dairy assailants are "activists". Multiple references to "extreme", "extremist" and "far-right" for those who are hit with shakes. Zero such characterizations for those who are actually physically assaulting them. The strongest characterization noted is of "anti-fascist protestors".

You see, assaulting and soiling those with whom you disagree is merely "anti-fascist" and "activist"...thankfully not sitting on the sidelines. Being target of assault requires labeling. Uniquely so.

Just so we are clear...the mainstream media is most certainly not merely biased, but is openly hostile to non-leftists of every sort - and not just the so-called "extremist" ones. Even the Brexit folks are summarily lumped together with racists, far right extremists, and fascists.

The modern left is our enemy - whether it practices in political station, media stronghold, or rank-and-file assault thug. In the UK or here in the US, this sort of conduct continually voids our social contract. It queers the deal. When you refuse respect for others, and - worse - participate in (or sanitize) extremist, assaulting conduct...we're done.

Just as nasty as throwing tea that didn't belong to them into Boston Harbor, huh?

RickWA · May 24, 2019

FakeName said:
Just as nasty as throwing tea that didn't belong to them into Boston Harbor, huh?

Yep. Nothing to see here. Not a single “liberal” among you incurious folks. :-(

Queen Titania · May 24, 2019

EatTheRich said:
1. Tommy Robinson is.
2. Not really. You see, there is no obvious ideological label that fits the people throwing stuff at guys like Robinson. Some are leftists, some are centrists, some are mainstream conservatives.

None seem to have brains though

Queen Titania · May 24, 2019

EatTheRich said:
1. Tommy Robinson is.
2. Not really. You see, there is no obvious ideological label that fits the people throwing stuff at guys like Robinson. Some are leftists, some are centrists, some are mainstream conservatives.

Do you agree with physical attacks on those 'one' disagrees with, like the two before the milk shake -in this video?

Queen Titania · May 24, 2019

RickWA said:
False. The lack of labeling of the media’s prized foundational kin (leftists) leads it to label the non-left.

And your habitual discourtesy out of the gate is noted, jackass.

The truth is censored --- you can watch this if you have a youtube account

Emily · May 24, 2019

redtide said:
save for the fact that half the nation (while has wage withholding but gets it all back or more) pays no federal income tax but is still permitted to vote to steal from others.

While I agree with your general sentiment, let's keep in mind that many working people who pay no federal income tax do pay FICA, sales, and other taxes.

EatTheRich said:
entitlements are compensation for the labor that the working class does.

So those who've never worked shouldn't be eligible for any government entitlements???

redtide · May 24, 2019

Emily said:
While I agree with your general sentiment, let's keep in mind that many working people who pay no federal income tax do pay FICA, sales, and other taxes.

So those who've never worked shouldn't be eligible for any government entitlements???

sure thy do but those do not go to the overall federal budget and those same folks end up taking far more then they ever have withheld.
That being said entitlements are theft and theft is wrong. There should be NO entitlements and absolutely no money should ever be given to anther individual or entity by the Fed for which no goods or services were exchanged. We need to stop the vote purchasing with other peoples money.

Emily · May 24, 2019

redtide said:
sure thy do but those do not go to the overall federal budget and those same folks end up taking far more then they ever have withheld.
That being said entitlements are theft and theft is wrong. There should be NO entitlements and absolutely no money should ever be given to anther individual or entity by the Fed for which no goods or services were exchanged. We need to stop the vote purchasing with other peoples money.

I'll agree if we're talking the technical definition of entitlements and not government (preferably as local as is feasible) helping the truly needy when the family or private community can't.

RickWA · May 24, 2019

Emily said:
I'll agree if we're talking the technical definition of entitlements and not government (preferably as local as is feasible) helping the truly needy when the family or private community can't.

Uhh...when “the government is helping the truly needy” that is family and private community helping, right? Where do you think the money comes from?

The fact is that many of us pay disproportionately for infrastructure and benefits. Many are largely passengers and parasites by comparison.

We have decided - as policy - that unequal protection under the law = compassion.

The Sage of Main Street · May 24, 2019

Emily said:
169,151,000 people in the US are currently receiving or benefiting from some form of government assistance. With a population of 328,622,000, that's 52% of total population.
However, of 157,000,000 in the"work force," 122,500,000 are actual income tax payers. That's only 37% of the population.
23,736,000 of the 157 million in the work force" are government employees. Government doesn't generate income. So 19.4% of the "work force" is actually not adding to but rather taking income from the whole, leaving only 98,762,000, 30% of the population, producing and generating real income on which they're taxed. 30% of total US population carries the total income tax burden.

A wannabe artist. He became an aristocrat by gaining political power. By that reasoning, every politician is a wannabe aristocrat (if they aren't already). Regardless, aspirations don't equal birth class supremacy.

Proof?
Regardless, being influenced by the attitudes of aristocrats when defining a new ideology doesn't make the new ideology the sole product of birth class. Your assertion is that all ideologies originate in birth class supremacy. I assert not all. Are you suggesting that the totality of NS ideology came from Prussian aristocrats? That would make no sense. Besides it's originators background, a central aspect of NS philosophy is that the struggles of humankind are essential for its advancement and a key tenet of it is that class is irrelevant when all contribute their particular talent to the betterment of the whole.

Not exactly but, for the sake of argument, okay: So how was his philosophy then based on birth class? Hitler's rhetoric focused on German ascendancy -- for all Germans regardless of social strata. One can argue that in today's America birth class and race are connected but not that it was so in 1930's Germany.

Looking Up to the Upper Class Means Looking Down on Your Own Kind

Hitler wanted to distract the German people from the clear and present birth-class tyranny that had caused their loss in World War One through its incompetence, over-reaching, and suppression of initiative in the common soldiers. So he blamed outsiders like the Jews, Communists, and Slavs (whom he also intended to exterminate).

Killing all the people East and South would give opportunity for the German peasants to become rich landowners. The Germans could have tripled their population each generation and easily re-populated Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia.

Emily · May 24, 2019

RickWA said:
Uhh...when “the government is helping the truly needy” that is family and private community helping, right? Where do you think the money comes from?

Well, yes, but there's certainly a difference between a family helping an elderly parent with medical bills and the costly bureaucracy of Medicare, a difference between a church food bank and compulsory taxes for food stamps going to those who could work. To call fellow citizens helping people who truly can't help themselves and have no one near to help them "unequal protection under the law" seems cruel. Yes, many pay disproportionately and there are parasites; I certainly don't advocate maintaining the current system. But there are people, fellow citizens, who are truly in need with no one to help them.

Emily · May 24, 2019

The Sage of Main Street said:
Looking Up to the Upper Class Means Looking Down on Your Own Kind

Hitler wanted to distract the German people from the clear and present birth-class tyranny that had caused their loss in World War One through its incompetence, over-reaching, and suppression of initiative in the common soldiers. So he blamed outsiders like the Jews, Communists, and Slavs (whom he also intended to exterminate).

Killing all the people East and South would give opportunity for the German peasants to become rich landowners. The Germans could have tripled their population each generation and easily re-populated Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia.

Victors' propaganda through the lens of your own bias.

EatTheRich · May 24, 2019

Queen Titania said:
Do you agree with physical attacks on those 'one' disagrees with, like the two before the milk shake -in this video?

No

redtide · May 24, 2019

Emily said:
I'll agree if we're talking the technical definition of entitlements and not government (preferably as local as is feasible) helping the truly needy when the family or private community can't.

local govt can help if the locals vote to but the fed should not be permitted to steal from US to give to others, EVER.

The Sage of Main Street · May 24, 2019

redtide said:
save for the fact that half the nation (while has wage withholding but gets it all back or more) pays no federal income tax but is still permitted to vote to steal from others.

The Only Americans Who Should Have Any Power Are the Ones Born in the White Working Class

The richkid-scumbag fake Liberals gave the mooching races the vote in order to back up their anti-American class's snooty and self-serving lies about what democracy ends up being. Don't fall for the guillotine-fodder's well-rehearsed performances in front of their Daddies' media.

EatTheRich · May 24, 2019

Emily said:
While I agree with your general sentiment, let's keep in mind that many working people who pay no federal income tax do pay FICA, sales, and other taxes.

So those who've never worked shouldn't be eligible for any government entitlements???

No. Children are future workers and the profoundly disabled are the families of workers. So they share in the collective compensation the workers get.

Yet another definitive data point demonstrating lefty non-introspection

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