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From a ‘flyover state’ resident, well said!

Barbella

Senator
Pretty much how I feel about it...

You don’t have to be a saint for God to love you or for you to love God. I didn't vote for Trump because he's been married three times, I didn’t vote for him because he may have cheated on any of his wives, and I certainly didn’t vote for him because he had lost money in a business venture and filed for bankruptcy. I did vote for him because our border should have a wall to help stop all the illegals, I voted for him because he promised to cut unemployment and create jobs, I voted for him because he loves America and will fight for our republic and our rights, I voted for him because he believes in our Constitution and above all else I felt he would deliver on every promise if there was any way possible. He isn’t a perfect man, but he is the perfect man for the job of President of the great republic the United States of America. After the anti-American, corrupt Obama, Trump is a breath of fresh air!
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You don’t have to be a saint for God to love you or for you to love God. I didn't vote for Trump because he's been married three times, I didn’t vote for him because he may have cheated on any of his wives, and I certainly didn’t vote for him because he had lost money in a business venture and filed for bankruptcy. I did vote for him because our border should have a wall to help stop all the illegals, I voted for him because he promised to cut unemployment and create jobs, I voted for him because he loves America and will fight for our republic and our rights, I voted for him because he believes in our Constitution and above all else I felt he would deliver on every promise if there was any way possible. He isn’t a perfect man, but he is the perfect man for the job of President of the great republic the United States of America. After the anti-American, corrupt Obama, Trump is a breath of fresh air!
1. Any evidence that Obama was either anti-American or corrupt? Nah. If you love God you should keep his commandments...."Thou shalt not bear false witness".
2. Trump lies on a daily basis. Is that about "loving America"? Do you think he actually listens to his advisors or does he take what Fox and Friends has to say as gospel? Tillerson says he doesn't like to read, thinks he knows more than Generals, appointees to head government departments (his appointees) and any experts brought in to advise him.
He said Trump would frequently say what he wanted done and that Tillerson would have to tell him "that is against the law"....

3. The Wall will not stop all illegals. Most illegals come to this country on a plane and have the proper documents to be here, but they stay past the expiration of those documents. The wall won't stop that. When the murders in Texas were discovered a lot of right wingers said "see, an illegal immigrant killed those people. We need a wall." Except that immigrant didn't come here across the Texas border.

I just wish you right wingers would pay attention to the facts....

If you want to be taken seriously, quit with the claims that people you disagree with hate the USA.
 

Barbella

Senator
1. Any evidence that Obama was either anti-American or corrupt? Nah. If you love God you should keep his commandments...."Thou shalt not bear false witness".
2. Trump lies on a daily basis. Is that about "loving America"? Do you think he actually listens to his advisors or does he take what Fox and Friends has to say as gospel? Tillerson says he doesn't like to read, thinks he knows more than Generals, appointees to head government departments (his appointees) and any experts brought in to advise him.
He said Trump would frequently say what he wanted done and that Tillerson would have to tell him "that is against the law"....

3. The Wall will not stop all illegals. Most illegals come to this country on a plane and have the proper documents to be here, but they stay past the expiration of those documents. The wall won't stop that. When the murders in Texas were discovered a lot of right wingers said "see, an illegal immigrant killed those people. We need a wall." Except that immigrant didn't come here across the Texas border.

I just wish you right wingers would pay attention to the facts....

If you want to be taken seriously, quit with the claims that people you disagree with hate the USA.
The wall won’t stop ALL illegals, but it sure would be better than just letting millions of people walk across the border and forcing American taxpayers to support them.

Which is exactly what democrats want.
 
The wall won’t stop ALL illegals, but it sure would be better than just letting millions of people walk across the border and forcing American taxpayers to support them.

Which is exactly what democrats want.
at this rate the wall is going to cost a trillion dollars. It doesn't nearly cost that much to support everyone(undocumented or not) who is currently welfare.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
The wall won’t stop ALL illegals, but it sure would be better than just letting millions of people walk across the border and forcing American taxpayers to support them.

Which is exactly what democrats want.
1. Really? You think Millions walk across the border and nobody stops them?
2. Do you actually think you are supporting millions of illegal aliens. The ones I see a busy doing construction work, or gardening...Most welfare programs are not available to illegal aliens. If you want to change the law related to children born in this country to illegal immigrans, I'd agree.

You continue to make generalizations that are patently false. "Democrats" do not want open borders. You may find a minority who do, but most do not.
 

Barbella

Senator
1. Really? You think Millions walk across the border and nobody stops them?
2. Do you actually think you are supporting millions of illegal aliens. The ones I see a busy doing construction work, or gardening...Most welfare programs are not available to illegal aliens. If you want to change the law related to children born in this country to illegal immigrans, I'd agree.

You continue to make generalizations that are patently false. "Democrats" do not want open borders. You may find a minority who do, but most do not.
I’ve known plenty of illegals who work here for cash, get free health care, free dental and vision, free transportation to and from the doctors and/or hospital, as well as free schooling.

Not only do they send most of their earnings back to their country, they also receive thousands (the last one I talked to got $14,000) in EIC for his 16 ‘dependents’ back in Mexico, which included nieces, nephews, and other assorted ‘dependents’

Don’t try to tell me that this is wrong, or not true, because I personally talked to these people, and they were happy as hell about it.

And just answer me one thing: where do you think this money is coming from? Manna from Heaven? Falls out of the sky?
 
I’ve known plenty of illegals who work here for cash, get free health care, free dental and vision, free transportation to and from the doctors and/or hospital, as well as free schooling.

Not only do they send most of their earnings back to their country, they also receive thousands (the last one I talked to got $14,000) in EIC for his 16 ‘dependents’ back in Mexico, which included nieces, nephews, and other assorted ‘dependents’

Don’t try to tell me that this is wrong, or not true, because I personally talked to these people, and they were happy as hell about it.

And just answer me one thing: where do you think this money is coming from? Manna from Heaven? Falls out of the sky?
why didn't you report them?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
at this rate the wall is going to cost a trillion dollars. It doesn't nearly cost that much to support everyone(undocumented or not) who is currently welfare.
I think the estimate was about $60 to $70 billion, although some areas will never have a wall simply due to terrain. What people aren't talking about is the cost of maintenance.
The wall, as it exists, was built in areas were much easier to do construction on. Fairly flat and easily accessible. Remember also that the wall has to be built on the US side of the border and that means land that belongs to private citizens. Will we buy that land or simply confiscate it? It also means that as long as the Wilberforce law is in effect it means that as long as a person steps on US land they can request asylum....
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I’ve known plenty of illegals who work here for cash, get free health care, free dental and vision, free transportation to and from the doctors and/or hospital, as well as free schooling.

Not only do they send most of their earnings back to their country, they also receive thousands (the last one I talked to got $14,000) in EIC for his 16 ‘dependents’ back in Mexico, which included nieces, nephews, and other assorted ‘dependents’

Don’t try to tell me that this is wrong, or not true, because I personally talked to these people, and they were happy as hell about it.

And just answer me one thing: where do you think this money is coming from? Manna from Heaven? Falls out of the sky?
So you know Plenty of illegals? How in hell does someone get $14,000 in EIC without paying taxes and filing a return? Who's SS number is he using?

To qualify for the EITC, taxpayers must provide valid Social Security numbers for themselves and their children. This requirement disqualifies non-citizens who are working in the U.S. in violation of U.S. immigration law. Undocumented aliens cannot obtain valid Social Security numbers.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Frankly, I think a lot of Trumpies voted for him......because he pushed the racist birther conspiracy.
Now Trump is nixing the plan to put Harriet Tubman on our currency. You just know it's because Tubman's a black woman.

Any Trumpies who thinks he protects and defends our Constitution.....flunked high school civics.
 

The truth

Council Member
1. Any evidence that Obama was either anti-American or corrupt? Nah. If you love God you should keep his commandments...."Thou shalt not bear false witness".
2. Trump lies on a daily basis. Is that about "loving America"? Do you think he actually listens to his advisors or does he take what Fox and Friends has to say as gospel? Tillerson says he doesn't like to read, thinks he knows more than Generals, appointees to head government departments (his appointees) and any experts brought in to advise him.
He said Trump would frequently say what he wanted done and that Tillerson would have to tell him "that is against the law"....

3. The Wall will not stop all illegals. Most illegals come to this country on a plane and have the proper documents to be here, but they stay past the expiration of those documents. The wall won't stop that. When the murders in Texas were discovered a lot of right wingers said "see, an illegal immigrant killed those people. We need a wall." Except that immigrant didn't come here across the Texas border.

I just wish you right wingers would pay attention to the facts....

If you want to be taken seriously, quit with the claims that people you disagree with hate the USA.
President Obama was black,hence not a real American
 

Barbella

Senator
So you know Plenty of illegals? How in hell does someone get $14,000 in EIC without paying taxes and filing a return? Who's SS number is he using?

To qualify for the EITC, taxpayers must provide valid Social Security numbers for themselves and their children. This requirement disqualifies non-citizens who are working in the U.S. in violation of U.S. immigration law. Undocumented aliens cannot obtain valid Social Security numbers.
Don’t be naive. There are lots of ways around these laws and useless ‘rules’. These people are laughing at our stupidity.

And I know THAT for a fact, as well.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Don’t be naive. There are lots of ways around these laws and useless ‘rules’. These people are laughing at our stupidity.

And I know THAT for a fact, as well.
Fact? I don't suppose you have a link to support your personal experience with, what thousands or millions of illegals getting EIC credits?

By the way...your story of someone getting a ton of cash doesn't match the limits on per child EIC credit of $500 per kid.

Not only do they send most of their earnings back to their country, they also receive thousands (the last one I talked to got $14,000) in EIC for his 16 ‘dependents’ back in Mexico, which included nieces, nephews, and other assorted ‘dependents’
 

EatTheRich

President
Pretty much how I feel about it...

You don’t have to be a saint for God to love you or for you to love God. I didn't vote for Trump because he's been married three times, I didn’t vote for him because he may have cheated on any of his wives, and I certainly didn’t vote for him because he had lost money in a business venture and filed for bankruptcy. I did vote for him because our border should have a wall to help stop all the illegals, I voted for him because he promised to cut unemployment and create jobs, I voted for him because he loves America and will fight for our republic and our rights, I voted for him because he believes in our Constitution and above all else I felt he would deliver on every promise if there was any way possible. He isn’t a perfect man, but he is the perfect man for the job of President of the great republic the United States of America. After the anti-American, corrupt Obama, Trump is a breath of fresh air!
Obviously he cannot both defend the Constitution and democratic rights and keep all his promises to violate them.
 

EatTheRich

President
The wall won’t stop ALL illegals, but it sure would be better than just letting millions of people walk across the border and forcing American taxpayers to support them.

Which is exactly what democrats want.
In other words, you would rather have policies that lead to more deaths than higher taxes on the rich.
 

Barbella

Senator
In other words, you would rather have policies that lead to more deaths than higher taxes on the rich.
I’d rather we take care of these first:

16 million American kids struggle with hunger each year. An estimated 48.8 million Americans , including 16.2 million children, live in households that lack the means to get enough nutritious food on a regular basis. As a result, about 1 in 5 children go hungry at some point during the year.

To start.
 
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