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President Trump Says He Would Definitely Collude This Time

Constitutional Sheepdog

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And if Clinton had won without using the dossier, there is no reason for her to use the dossiernto win.
stop dodging if Clinton had won we would not have seen how corrupt the obama administration was and how a foreign government had harmed our election.
I would never allow you to investigate your own crime.
 

EatTheRich

President
stop dodging if Clinton had won we would not have seen how corrupt the obama administration was and how a foreign government had harmed our election.
I would never allow you to investigate your own crime.
If Clinton had won without the dossier, what would have been the point of the dossier for the Clinton campaign?
 

SW48

Administrator
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The statute does not allow for accepting election assistance from foreign governments. Period. It does not allow for it if the recipient candidate forms an opinion on the nature or quality of the assistance.
What was Hillary doing accepting donations from foreign governments for her charity and with the all dossier thing? I'm guessing all campaigns get something from foreign governments at some point.
 
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What was Hillary doing accepting donations from foreign governments for her charity and with the all dossier thing? I'm guessing all campaigns get something from foreign governments at some point.
I think it's also worth pointing out that Hillary's *charitable foundation* got many foreign donations WHILE SHE WAS SECRETARY OF STATE.

Can you imagine the criticism and coverage, which would have been entirely appropriate, if a Republican had done the same thing??
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
What was Hillary doing accepting donations from foreign governments for her charity and with the all dossier thing? I'm guessing all campaigns get something from foreign governments at some point.
Even if they did, that would not ratify Trump’s illegal conduct.

As to the dossier, that was an effort to expose the Trump/Kremlin connections. It’s the polar opposite of what Team Trump and the Kremlin did.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
What was Hillary doing accepting donations from foreign governments for her charity and with the all dossier thing? I'm guessing all campaigns get something from foreign governments at some point.
There's nothing wrong with a charity accepting foreign donations.
Prior Republican campaigns knew full well that accepting oppo from a foreign national or a foreign government was illegal. According to the Mueller report, Trump campaign people claimed they didn't know that. Yeah, right.
 

reason10

Governor
The dossier=dirt on Russia

Produced for the U.S., not for the Clinton campaign
Nope. It was produced SOLELY for the Clinton campaign, BY OBAMA, and was used to defraud a FISA court.

And it was a dossier based on LIES.

If anyone should be in prison it should be Obama, Clinton and anyone else associated with this FELONY.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is an uneducated moron.
 

reason10

Governor
If that was the purpose, why was it withheld until long after Trump won the election?
Two reasons:
1. The conspirators/CRIMINALS actually thought Hillary would win.

2. It was an insurance policy.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/12/about_that_pagestrzok_insurance_policy.html
"I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy's office - that there's no way he [Trump] gets elected – but I'm afraid we can't take that risk," writes FBI counterintelligence officer Peter Strzok to FBI lawyer Lisa Page, with whom he was having an extramarital affair while spearheading both the Clinton email inquiry and the early Trump-Russia probe, adding, "It's like a life insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40" (March 4, 2016).


Isn't it clear that "the path" was a developing strategy by which these co-conspirators would stop Trump by any means necessary? Was it at that meeting with "Andy" McCabe, then #2 at the FBI, where the three of them conjured the idea of using the FISA court to get warrants in order to unmask members of the Trump campaign so they could be surveilled?
 

EatTheRich

President
Nope. It was produced SOLELY for the Clinton campaign, BY OBAMA, and was used to defraud a FISA court.

And it was a dossier based on LIES.

If anyone should be in prison it should be Obama, Clinton and anyone else associated with this FELONY.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is an uneducated moron.
Except that
1. Nothing in it has been shown to be false.
2. It was not used by the campaign.
3. It was produced by Steele.
4. It’s origins were accurately reported to the FISA court along with the corroborating evidence required to get the warrant.
 

reason10

Governor

1. Nothing in it has been shown to be false.
The dossier was a lie. It was made up.


2. It was not used by the campaign.

No one said it was. It was used to defraud a FISA court into approving illegal spying on an American citizen.

3. It was produced by Steele.
A liar and Trump hater. And it was paid for by the Clinton campaign.

4. It’s origins were accurately reported to the FISA court along with the corroborating evidence required to get the warrant.

That's a [Unwelcome language removed] LIE. There's no way the FISA court would have approved spying based on a LIE.


Now matter how much you lie and try to spin this, Clinton and Obama are the ones guilty of fraud and obstruction of justice. They belong in prison.
 

EatTheRich

President
Two reasons:
1. The conspirators/CRIMINALS actually thought Hillary would win.

2. It was an insurance policy.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/12/about_that_pagestrzok_insurance_policy.html
"I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy's office - that there's no way he [Trump] gets elected – but I'm afraid we can't take that risk," writes FBI counterintelligence officer Peter Strzok to FBI lawyer Lisa Page, with whom he was having an extramarital affair while spearheading both the Clinton email inquiry and the early Trump-Russia probe, adding, "It's like a life insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40" (March 4, 2016).


Isn't it clear that "the path" was a developing strategy by which these co-conspirators would stop Trump by any means necessary? Was it at that meeting with "Andy" McCabe, then #2 at the FBI, where the three of them conjured the idea of using the FISA court to get warrants in order to unmask members of the Trump campaign so they could be surveilled?
So your position is that

1. They thought they could get away with producing a fake dossier because they never expected Trump to win;
2. They found it inconceivable that Clinton would not win without using the dossier in the campaign;
3. They wanted the dossier in case Trump won anyway
 

reason10

Governor
So your position is that

1. They thought they could get away with producing a fake dossier because they never expected Trump to win;
2. They found it inconceivable that Clinton would not win without using the dossier in the campaign;
3. They wanted the dossier in case Trump won anyway
Actually, that is THEIR position. They admitted it. This whole Mueller fiasco is the result of fraud of an INSURANCE POLICY they admitted to. In the event Hillary didn't win, they would have this to fck the country with.

And it worked. It shut down the House for two years.
 

Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
but, using the standard Trumpian Logic 101 Defense that Fox and his supporters use almost every day when he says something so mind-numbingly wrong and idiotic, he was taken out of context, or he was just being clever to make other governments THINK he was a freaking traitor, or he just said that, he did not really mean it.

But your last sentence- "That is why Trump is gonna lose- he has no ethics."

In many ways, that is the only way he won the first one. He did everything unethically, and his base loved him for it. He insulted all the other repub candidates like a 3rd grade bully. and his base loved it. He claimed Mexico was going to build a huge beautiful wall from sea to shining sea, and pay for it!! And his base loved it. He claimed in his very first speech when announcing his candidacy that when Mexico "sends" us their people, which was a lie in the first place as Mexico does not "send" anybody here, they do not send their best, they send killers and rapists and drug gang members and SOME, HE ASSUMES, good people. If that is not an unethical bigoted condemnation of a whole group of people here illegally, that out of 11 million only some, maybe, he assumes, are good people, then what would be? And his base loved it!! straight up hate-filled lying bigotry and his base ate it up with a spoon and wanted more!! When he disparaged a combat hero who turned down an offer to leave a North Vietnam Prison early because he was the son of a Navy admiral and it would be good PR, but he said he would not unless others there BEFORE he got there were also released, and they tortured him and kept him in solitary for 4 more years, I thought that was it- his base would turn on him!! he not only disparaged McCain when Trump claimed he was not so much a hero because he got captured, and Trump prefers his heroes not be captured, he disparaged every soldier in every war who were captured, who might have been tortured due to their service, and to all soldiers in general, EVEN THOUGH HE DODGED THE DRAFT 5 TIMES, ONCE BY USING A FAKE BONE SPUR EXCUSE and said his personal vietnam was avoiding STDs......and HIS BASE LOVED HIM EVEN MORE!! how? like trump said, he could shoot somebody in broad daylight on Fifth Ave. and his base would still love him...

Sad, but true.
English please!
 
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