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Colorforms

Senator
Left-wing-run districts routinely outperform conservative-run districts with the same resources and the same social problems to deal with. For example, the charter schools favored by the present administration are infamously inferior to and more costly than public schools.

I support busing to mitigate racial segregation in schools, how about you? I support colleges that are not de facto segregated while it seems you do not.
I don't believe you for a minute. In fact, illiteracy was so rampant in the inner city that leftists, knowing just how incompetent they were to fix the problem, instead tried to make illiteracy it its own language and called it Ebonics.

I don't know anyone who didn't think fascists jumped the shark on that one. :)
 

EatTheRich

President
Still, 2+2 = 4 doesn't change if you're black, history doesn't change if you're black, science doesn't care what color you are.

You make excuses for your incompetence and then make other pay for it.
Show me where “2+2=4” is on the SAT. History and science don’t change, but the subjective interpretation of it does ... often success on the SAT comes from making the same (bourgeois) value judgments as the test creators. Not to mention, it is usually easier for a white person to remain calm and answer test questions about, say, the Middle Passage or Jim Crow under time pressure than a Black person who may reflect on how it’s affected his/her life.

I happened to do very well on the SAT, so, no, I am not making excuses for my incompetence. I am pointing out reasons why a selection process for colleges is unfair.
 

Colorforms

Senator
Show me where “2+2=4” is on the SAT. History and science don’t change, but the subjective interpretation of it does ... often success on the SAT comes from making the same (bourgeois) value judgments as the test creators. Not to mention, it is usually easier for a white person to remain calm and answer test questions about, say, the Middle Passage or Jim Crow under time pressure than a Black person who may reflect on how it’s affected his/her life.
The SAT doesn't measure "subjective interpretation" and you're telling me there is no math in the SAT? LOL I can't have a serious discussion with you.
 

Nostra

Governor
Left-wing-run districts routinely outperform conservative-run districts with the same resources and the same social problems to deal with. .
Like Elijah Cummings district of Baltimore?
According to information uncovered by the Project Baltimore Investigation by the local Fox News affiliate WBFF in Baltimore, Baltimore Spends roughly $1.4 billion annually for education — roughly $16,000 per student. Baltimore’s spending on education is the fourth highest of any municipality in the country. And yet, despite this massive commitment of resources, Baltimore Schools have some of the lowest educational proficiency levels in the country.

According to Project Baltimore investigative journalist Chris Papst, reading proficiency rates among Baltimore High School graduates hover at around 11 percent, and math proficiency rates hover around 12 percent. This is in a school system that graduates roughly 70 percent of its students each year. There is clearly a major disconnection between the high graduation rate and the extremely dismal academic proficiency rate.

This discrepancy alone, given the money that goes into the system, is prima facie evidence of a crime. As Project Baltimore continues to follow the path of the money, it becomes increasingly obvious that there are strong institutional incentives to keep Baltimore’s clearly failing system in place. In a very real sense, the dysfunction in Baltimore’s schools mirror a similar dysfunction in the city’s political establishment. In a city of fewer than 600,000 residents, with a rapidly declining school enrollment, literally thousands of individuals in the school system receive salaries in excess of $100,000 per year. Most of the recipients of this government largesse are not teachers — but consultants, contractors, and administrators.
Read Newsmax: The Criminal Tragedy of Baltimore Schools | Newsmax.com
 

EatTheRich

President
I don't believe you for a minute. In fact, illiteracy was so rampant in the inner city that leftists, knowing just how incompetent they were to fix the problem, instead tried to make illiteracy it its own language and called it Ebonics.

I don't know anyone who didn't think fascists jumped the shark on that one. :)
“Ebonics” is not “illiteracy.” It is a dialect with grammar rules as fixed as (but different from) standard English ... in other words there is a right way and a wrong way to say things in “Ebonics” and the fact that Blacks’ generally superior ability to code-switch between “Ebonics” and Standard English isn’t rewarded with higher SAT scores, and whites aren’t penalized when they are unfamiliar with “Ebonics” grammar, is another clear example of racial bias in the test’s construction.
 

Colorforms

Senator
“Ebonics” is not “illiteracy.” It is a dialect with grammar rules as fixed as (but different from) standard English ... in other words there is a right way and a wrong way to say things in “Ebonics” and the fact that Blacks’ generally superior ability to code-switch between “Ebonics” and Standard English isn’t rewarded with higher SAT scores, and whites aren’t penalized when they are unfamiliar with “Ebonics” grammar, is another clear example of racial bias in the test’s construction.
Wow, blacks are just superior to us whites in every way possible, and yet they need you to discriminate against racial groups to qualify for college.

Or Occams razor suggests that maybe you're just too well indoctrinated for rational discussion.
 

EatTheRich

President
The SAT doesn't measure "subjective interpretation" and you're telling me there is no math in the SAT? LOL I can't have a serious discussion with you.

No, I didn’t say there is no math. I said there are not the kind of simple arithmetic problems that don’t sometimes require familiarity with certain cultural touchstones and/or cause emotional reactions that can impair students’ ability to continue calmly taking a test.

An example of a value judgment:

Favoring economy of expression in writing, the
professor urged students toward arather
than anprose style.
(A) spare . . ornate
(B) terse . . opinionated
(C) personal . . academic
(D) baroque . . embellished
(E) repetitive . . intricate

The College Board’s answer is A, reflecting the position that a professor’s favoring economy is an arbitrary preference for eliminating what is subjectively held to be a superfluity. However, someone who has had the lived experience of being essentially told to shut up by educators for their entire lives may think B better reflects the reason for a professor favoring a minimum of expression by his students. And the SAT is FULL of questions like this.
 

Colorforms

Senator
No, I didn’t say there is no math. I said there are not the kind of simple arithmetic problems that don’t sometimes require familiarity with certain cultural touchstones and/or cause emotional reactions that can impair students’ ability to continue calmly taking a test.

An example of a value judgment:

Favoring economy of expression in writing, the
professor urged students toward arather
than anprose style.
(A) spare . . ornate
(B) terse . . opinionated
(C) personal . . academic
(D) baroque . . embellished
(E) repetitive . . intricate

The College Board’s answer is A, reflecting the position that a professor’s favoring economy is an arbitrary preference for eliminating what is subjectively held to be a superfluity. However, someone who has had the lived experience of being essentially told to shut up by educators for their entire lives may think B better reflects the reason for a professor favoring a minimum of expression by his students. And the SAT is FULL of questions like this.
Ummm, no it's not. Apparently you have never taken the SAT and therefore everything you know is through indoctrination and not first hand knowledge.
 

EatTheRich

President
Wow, blacks are just superior to us whites in every way possible, and yet they need you to discriminate against racial groups to qualify for college.

Or Occams razor suggests that maybe you're just too well indoctrinated for rational discussion.
You are the only one making claims of racial superiority. Tests can be and have been designed that Blacks outperform whites on. What makes those tests less valid than one designed for whites to outperform Blacks on?
 

Colorforms

Senator
You are the only one making claims of racial superiority. Tests can be and have been designed that Blacks outperform whites on. What makes those tests less valid than one designed for whites to outperform Blacks on?
Oh hell no. Don't even try that crap. You're the one who claims blacks outperform whites in literacy and "code switching" and educational aptitude. Every time I bring up the educational problems in the black community, that's your first go-to.

According to you the only reason blacks aren't owning us is because we are such evil white racist bastards
 

EatTheRich

President
Oh hell no. Don't even try that crap. You're the one who claims blacks outperform whites in literacy and "code switching" and educational aptitude. Every time I bring up the educational problems in the black community, that's your first go-to.

According to you the only reason blacks aren't owning us is because we are such evil white racist bastards
A lot of Blacks speak both AAVE (“Ebonics”) and Standard English fluently. Not many whites can say the same.

I never said that Blacks “outperform whites in literacy” or “educational aptitude.” You made that shit up.
 

Nostra

Governor
Yeah, it costs a lot to educate kids AND keep them safe from gang violence AND keep them in school while they are working to support their families AND provide for all the special needs kids who are neglected by the suburbs AND make sure the kids have food in their bellies, etc, etc.
Your story keeps changing every time you are exposed as being full of shiit.
 

EatTheRich

President
Your story keeps changing every time you are exposed as being full of shiit.
No, you just lack the reading comprehension to have noted my inclusion of the phrase “ ... and the same social problems to deal with” in my earlier post on the subject.
 

Nostra

Governor
No, you just lack the reading comprehension to have noted my inclusion of the phrase “ ... and the same social problems to deal with” in my earlier post on the subject.
Make a comparison then. Show us a Republican equivalent of Baltimore.

GO!
 

Colorforms

Senator
A lot of Blacks speak both AAVE (“Ebonics”) and Standard English fluently. Not many whites can say the same.

I never said that Blacks “outperform whites in literacy” or “educational aptitude.” You made that shit up.
Every time I bring up the problems in the black educational system, it's your first go-to. You even claimed a 90% black literacy rate, which is laughable on it's face.

I honestly think that you're a black nationalist. You definitely favor blacks over any other racial group, and look down on whites every chance you get, to the point where you're fine discriminating against them.

Really sad and somewhat perverse.
 

EatTheRich

President
Make a comparison then. Show us a Republican equivalent of Baltimore.

GO!
You are moving the goalposts by making it about Democrat/Republican rather than left-wing/conservative. But I suppose Oklahoma City would be comparable in some respects.
 

Nostra

Governor
You are moving the goalposts by making it about Democrat/Republican rather than left-wing/conservative. But I suppose Oklahoma City would be comparable in some respects.
Your semantics tap dance aside......

Well then, OKC it is.

Show the stats. Take the link I provided from Baltimore and put their spending and performance next to OKC. @EatTheRich
 
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EatTheRich

President
Every time I bring up the problems in the black educational system, it's your first go-to. You even claimed a 90% black literacy rate, which is laughable on it's face.

I honestly think that you're a black nationalist. You definitely favor blacks over any other racial group, and look down on whites every chance you get, to the point where you're fine discriminating against them.

Really sad and somewhat perverse.
Why is that “laughable on it’s (sic) face,” other than being a serious underestimate that I almost surely did not claim?

I’m white. You think I’m a “black nationalist” just because I believe in fairness for people of all races and look down on white supremacy.
 

EatTheRich

President
Your semantics tap dance aside......

Well then, OKC it is.

Show the stats. Take the link I provided from Baltimore and put their spending and performance next to OKC. @EatTheRich
Ok. Oklahoma teachers, who are some of the most underpaid in the country, have to use their own meager salaries to supply their kids with coats and shoes. Textbooks are 20 years old and falling apart.
 
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