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Republican tactics to win elections...AKA how to win even when you lose

middleview

President
Supporting Member
sounds to me like @MV needs to read the words to the Pledge of Allegiance!

"I pledge allegiance to the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands"
Sounds to me like @Caroljo needs to look up "REPUBLIC".

We do not vote on legislation...our representatives do. Whether or not we have the electoral college (where electors are picked by rules devised by individual states) or by a popular vote would not change us from a republic.

republic:
a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

What form of government is the United States?
The United States government is best categorized as a constitutional federal republic. This means that the United States is governed primarily by elected representatives and an elected leader, and that power is balanced between the federal government and the governments of the states.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
sounds to me like @MV needs to read the words to the Pledge of Allegiance!

"I pledge allegiance to the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands"
The words to the pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

You're welcome.
 

freyasman

Senator
The words to the pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

You're welcome.
"with liberty and justice for all."


Read this part a few more times, slowly.:cool:
 

trapdoor

Governor
The EC and the Popular vote have agreed on the presidential election in all but four. The last two gave us the worst presidents in the last 100 years.

The EC has been changed a number of times since the original design. The constitution was written to be amended...but you tell my why it was changed from what the founding fathers setup.
You really think Bush and Trump are BOTH worse than Nixon? Hmm.

As for the electoral college, no, the rest of the country shouldn't be ruled by a coalition of New York, California, Florida and Texas. The EC was put in place for a reason. That you don't like the reason is somewhat immaterial.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You really think Bush and Trump are BOTH worse than Nixon? Hmm.

As for the electoral college, no, the rest of the country shouldn't be ruled by a coalition of New York, California, Florida and Texas. The EC was put in place for a reason. That you don't like the reason is somewhat immaterial.
You don't really know the reason. That is material. The logic behind it is obsolete. It was clearly from a time when slave states regarded the other states as a threat. Otherwise why even talk about counting slaves as if they are citizens...even if only 3/5ths of one?

The logic was clearly about balancing one region vs another...and the major factor was slavery.

Nixon was corrupt as hell. That didn't make his economic or foreign policy decisions as bad as "W" or Trump. The comparison depends on what yard stick you want to use.
 

trapdoor

Governor
You don't really know the reason. That is material. The logic behind it is obsolete. It was clearly from a time when slave states regarded the other states as a threat. Otherwise why even talk about counting slaves as if they are citizens...even if only 3/5ths of one?

The logic was clearly about balancing one region vs another...and the major factor was slavery.

Nixon was corrupt as hell. That didn't make his economic or foreign policy decisions as bad as "W" or Trump. The comparison depends on what yard stick you want to use.
Actually, I do know the reason as does any serious student of American history. The founders feared two things: Mob rule and a coalition of states that would act for their own interests. The electoral college is a hedge against both. I'm not certain how it would be obsolete -- it is clear that without the EC, coastal states would rule the nation and do things interior states do not desire.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Actually, I do know the reason as does any serious student of American history. The founders feared two things: Mob rule and a coalition of states that would act for their own interests. The electoral college is a hedge against both. I'm not certain how it would be obsolete -- it is clear that without the EC, coastal states would rule the nation and do things interior states do not desire.
So when Clinton won did he rule the country to the benefit of the coastal states? How about Obama? How in hell would a "coalition" of states result from electing the president by popular vote?

How does mob rule enter into electing the president by popular vote?

Your rhetoric doesn't come close to reality....and again when we talk about the founding fathers remember that the EC as they designed doesn't exist.
 
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Dawg

President
Supporting Member
sounds to me like @MV needs to read the words to the Pledge of Allegiance!

"I pledge allegiance to the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands"
If he was in the Navy as he claims he would have known that word for word...……..
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
So when Clinton won did he rule the country to the benefit of the coastal states? How about Obama? How in hell would a "coalition" of states result from electing the president by popular vote?

How does mob rule enter into electing the president by popular vote?

Your rhetoric doesn't come close to reality....and again when we talk about the founding fathers remember that the EC as they designed doesn't exist.
Thanks to your prog state corruption and how we elect Presidents just changed for the better:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/faithless-elector-a-court-ruling-just-changed-how-we-pick-our-president/ar-AAG8tdZ?ocid=spartandhp

Strong Arming is gone..............:)

 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
You don't really know the reason. That is material. The logic behind it is obsolete. It was clearly from a time when slave states regarded the other states as a threat. Otherwise why even talk about counting slaves as if they are citizens...even if only 3/5ths of one?

The logic was clearly about balancing one region vs another...and the major factor was slavery.

Nixon was corrupt as hell. That didn't make his economic or foreign policy decisions as bad as "W" or Trump. The comparison depends on what yard stick you want to use.
Yeah, the North
 
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Guest
So the republicans lost bigly here in Colorado in the last elections. Since they can't get the votes when there is a lot of voters turning out...they've resorted to using recall elections, when fewer people come out to vote.
They backed off of attempting to steal the seat from Tom Sullivan (who lost a son at Columbine), but they arenow trying to go after Gov Jared Polis, Brittany Petersen, Leroy Garcia and others.

Colorado Republicans’ recall efforts get Democrats fired up

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/07/06/colorado-recalls-republicans-democrats-statehouse/

What do they have against the will of the majority of voters that they would override an election?
Recall elections are nothing new.
 

trapdoor

Governor
So when Clinton won did he rule the country to the benefit of the coastal states? How about Obama? How in hell would a "coalition" of states result from electing the president by popular vote?

How does mob rule enter into electing the president by popular vote?

Your rhetoric doesn't come close to reality....and again when we talk about the founding fathers remember that the EC as they designed doesn't exist.
Don't you remember? Clinton ran as a "third way" Democrat, stripping the parts he liked off the Republican agenda and using them. And, by the way, even after doing that he never received more than a plurality of the vote. Popularly, he was elected by fewer votes than Trump.
The founders, for good or ill, thought that "vox populi" would vote itself bread and beer on the public coffers. They created not a democracy, but a representative republic complete with "antidemocratic" features such as the electoral college, to balance population difference, ensure almost no ties, and to keep "the people," bless their black, flabby little hearts, from exercising too much power in the majority. Although the term had yet to be invented (probably created by de Toqueville), they feared the "tyranny of the majority" as much as any other tyranny.

I'm not certain what you mean about the EC they designed not existing, so I won't bother to attempt a response.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Don't you remember? Clinton ran as a "third way" Democrat, stripping the parts he liked off the Republican agenda and using them. And, by the way, even after doing that he never received more than a plurality of the vote. Popularly, he was elected by fewer votes than Trump.
The founders, for good or ill, thought that "vox populi" would vote itself bread and beer on the public coffers. They created not a democracy, but a representative republic complete with "antidemocratic" features such as the electoral college, to balance population difference, ensure almost no ties, and to keep "the people," bless their black, flabby little hearts, from exercising too much power in the majority. Although the term had yet to be invented (probably created by de Toqueville), they feared the "tyranny of the majority" as much as any other tyranny.

I'm not certain what you mean about the EC they designed not existing, so I won't bother to attempt a response.
look up what the original EC was. It was not winner takes all. It was designed to give electors the choice of who to vote for. they were not bound to follow the voter's choice. The winner of the EC vote became president and second place became VP.

Now the court has reinstated faithless electors. An even better reason to throw it out.
 

Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
Actually, I do know the reason as does any serious student of American history. The founders feared two things: Mob rule and a coalition of states that would act for their own interests. The electoral college is a hedge against both. I'm not certain how it would be obsolete -- it is clear that without the EC, coastal states would rule the nation and do things interior states do not desire.

It's obsolete to the butthurt leftists of my base.

Reason? They know leftists flock toothier havens of comfort- NY and California.

2 States that are now meaningless in the election. As any GOP candidate can write them off- campaign elsewhere- (Lose the meaningless popular vote because Cali and NY are SO populated.) And win.

Trump figured this out. While Hillary kept going to California time after time for $$$$$$$$

The DNC did this to themselves and the tables turned. Now the D party is the small tent.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
There you go pissing on our Constitution again, explains why you converted from R to D
The court just ruled that electors in the EC can vote for any candidate they choose. Still think the constitution should remain unchanged?
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
The court just ruled that electors in the EC can vote for any candidate they choose. Still think the constitution should remain unchanged?
Colorado, elector wouldn't vote for Hill and progs replaced him and appointed an elector that would...…………..yeah, progs piss'n on Constitution and peoples rights if they don't do as demanded...………...remember Slavery?
 
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