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Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden’s Son

Marcus Aurelius

Governor
Supporting Member
it's almost comical that you have a 'anonymous source' making claims about what Trump supposedly said in a call, and that is grounds for Trump's immediate removal from office...while you have an actual video of Biden telling everyone he had a foreign government fire someone who was looking into his son's actions by threatening to withhold loan guarantees... not a fvcking peep form the left.

Fvcking bunch of hypocrites.
 

FakeName

Governor
The hell he was. He was a private citizen sent to entrap the Trump people in the appearance of "Russian collusion."
Yep, he was an FBI informant. Just a fact. And what does that have to do with Guliani?

You are always bitching about thread derailment.

Why not now?
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Julie. You are still using nuts on Twitter as a source ? LOL

Why are my comrades so scared ?

We didn't have any problem Oblammo spying on and prosecuting members of the press.
yes, he did when they wrote stories using classified info gathered from leakers. that is the way it works. if you put your name to a story that is considered classified and possibly dangerous to our covert agents or security in general then you get investigated along with your source...

do you even know how easily played you are? you repeat the fox version like a well-trained parakeet. learn to use real sources-

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llovejim

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it's almost comical that you have a 'anonymous source' making claims about what Trump supposedly said in a call, and that is grounds for Trump's immediate removal from office...while you have an actual video of Biden telling everyone he had a foreign government fire someone who was looking into his son's actions by threatening to withhold loan guarantees... not a fvcking peep form the left.

Fvcking bunch of hypocrites.
you are lying. the crooked prosecutor was not looking into anybody's corruption- can you not f*cking read? why would the Irish Times not mention Hunter Biden in a story about this corrupt prosecutor if it was relevant? why are you so easily played and gullible?
 

llovejim

Current Champion
What bothers me is when people get their shorts in a wad when one of their political opponents does something incompetent or corrupt, but then when one of the politicians they support does the exact same thing, suddenly lose interest in good governance.
it would me, too. that is not even close to what happened here. Many trump voters are just too biased and gullible to even accept the truth when it is slapping them right across their huge gaping pieholes.
 
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llovejim

Current Champion
what really keeps getting glossed over is it never happened that way. Even the Ukrainian foreign minister, works for the guy on the other end of the call, says there was no pressure from Trump to do anything...


Ukraine foreign minister defends Trump's call with Zelenskiy: 'I think there was no pressure'

“I know what the conversation was about and I think there was no pressure,” Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko told the Hromadske media outlet. "There was talk, conversations are different, leaders have the right to discuss any problems that exist. This conversation was long, friendly, and it touched on many questions, sometimes requiring serious answers."

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game, set, match. Winner....as usual, Trump.
As usual, Fox trying to defend Trump- why did you not source where you got that story?

Here is some more stuff Prystaiko said about Trump trying to bribe the leader of Ukraine to investigate Biden's kid more or to lie about the results of the first investigation...

According to him, people are, unfortunately, trying to get Ukraine involved in the confrontation between Republicans and Democrats in the United States.

"Those people who are engaged in Ukrainian-American relations understand that we have always tried to appreciate assistance from both parties. This assistance allowed us to ensure that with the change of administration, we will not change the priorities in relations with the United States," the minister explained.

READ MORE: American Senators on Bipartisan Support for Ukraine

He added that Ukraine appreciates the support of the U.S. Presidents, Congress, but that does not mean that the Ukrainian authorities want to help any party, even if it could "in theory" do so.

"President Trump is interested, his advisor, [Rudolph] Giuliani, newspapers, Democrats, Republicans are interested in whether pressure had been put on Ukraine. I want to say that we are an independent state, we have our own secrets,” Prystaiko stressed.

He noted that Zelenskyy has the right to keep the content of his conversation with another president secret, and U.S. investigators have every right to obtain this information in the U.S.

https://en.hromadske.ua/posts/trump-did-not-pressure-zelenskyy-we-are-independent-state-prystaiko
 

EatTheRich

President
I understand perfectly. Regardless of the circumstances, anyone interested in good governance would admit that ANYONE but Joe Biden would have been the proper person to lower the boom on this guy. As it is, it looks like Joe might have been free lancing, because, again, anyone interested in maintaining the standards of good governance would have sent ANYONE but Joe Biden to deliver that message. Unless, of course, the Obama Administration had no idea that the guy was looking into Hunter Biden's shady deal. Which if true only suggests more strongly that Joe was representing his son, and not the American people.
The only way Biden could not have been involved in negotiations that the RW propaganda machine would later baselessly invent a reason to call shady would have been by never helping the executive branch out. I mean, in 2008 and 2012, you were telling us Obama was a master criminal who had done unspeakably evil things that you were somehow never able to provide meaningful evidence of. In 2016, it was Clinton who had done the same specific things you earlier claimed Obama had done. Now it’s Biden. You think what you’re doing isn’t obvious?
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
Trump's pathetic bag man Rudy Giuliani spilled the beans on his role in extorting the new Ukraine president to do what Trump did with Putin.....solicit and accept unethical and wrong help from a foreign govt....in the upcoming presidential campaign.

"Russia, if you're listening...." --> Trump doing a repeat with Ukraine.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/19/giuliani-biden-ukraine-trump-1506009
Guiliani's interview with Cuomo was pathetic. The freak kept running his tongue out and reminded me of a snake...a poisonous snake. He wouldn't let Cuomo get a word in edgeways while he tried to change the subject from Ukraine to Joe Biden. He's such a disgusting old fool.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
The only way Biden could not have been involved in negotiations that the RW propaganda machine would later baselessly invent a reason to call shady would have been by never helping the executive branch out. I mean, in 2008 and 2012, you were telling us Obama was a master criminal who had done unspeakably evil things that you were somehow never able to provide meaningful evidence of. In 2016, it was Clinton who had done the same specific things you earlier claimed Obama had done. Now it’s Biden. You think what you’re doing isn’t obvious?
That's absurd. I never said he couldn't do ANYTHING for Obama - just not anything that would look like he (or his family) was benefitting from.

In fact the State Department would have been better positioned to do this. Obama could have made the call himself. Why did Joe have to do it?
 

llovejim

Current Champion
That's absurd. I never said he couldn't do ANYTHING for Obama - just not anything that would look like he (or his family) was benefitting from.

In fact the State Department would have been better positioned to do this. Obama could have made the call himself. Why did Joe have to do it?
what does it matter who does it? the point is, the EU and the US were tired of this corrupt trump like prosecutor allowing his rich buds to dip their hands in the cookie jar of huge amounts of international funding that was designed to help the economy and the people of Ukraine, and siphoned off into their secret bank accounts, instead of being used to fund needed projects.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
it would me, too. that is not even close to what happened here. Many trump voters are just too biased and gullible to even accept the truth when it is slapping them right across their huge gaping pieholes.
Get back to me when you are ready to support investigations into Biden's and the Clintons' apparent conflicts of interest...
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Yep, he was an FBI informant. Just a fact. And what does that have to do with Guliani?

You are always bitching about thread derailment.

Why not now?
LOL! I have never "bitched about thread derailment." You are the one who brought it up, not me.

And he was NOT an "informant" - he was an agent of the government used to investigate perceived political corruption. That's quite analogous to Guliani.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
what does it matter who does it? the point is, the EU and the US were tired of this corrupt trump like prosecutor allowing his rich buds to dip their hands in the cookie jar of huge amounts of international funding that was designed to help the economy and the people of Ukraine, and siphoned off into their secret bank accounts, instead of being used to fund needed projects.
It matters because the guy was investigating Hunter Biden's dealings - ANYBODY but Biden should have done it. Hunter Biden made some seedy business moves that appear to traded off of his father's influence as VP. It bears looking into...
 

llovejim

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It matters because the guy was investigating Hunter Biden's dealings - ANYBODY but Biden should have done it. Hunter Biden made some seedy business moves that appear to traded off of his father's influence as VP. It bears looking into...
what shady business moves? he was hired to head Burisma's legal staff- he is a yale-educated lawyer- how is that shady? read this article that shows the Burisma natural gas deal was investigated and cleared by Ukraine officials more than a year before joe biden got involved in Ukraine!!

New Report Debunks The Joe Biden / Ukrainian Conspiracy ...

https://hillreporter.com › new-report-debunks-the-joe-biden-ukrainian-con...

May 7, 2019 - ... to be investigated by President Donald Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani, ... the investigation into Burisma Holdings was completed years before ...

from this article-

Biden conflicts are too apparent to be ignored and should be investigated quickly and expeditiously,” Giuliani stated on Twitter, per reporting from Politico.

As it turns out, however, the suggestions that Biden held a conflict of interest against Shokin may be overzealous: the investigation into Burisma Holdings was completed years before Biden made the call for the prosecutor general to step down.

A former deputy who served under Shokin, Vitaliy Kasko, spoke with Bloomberg this week about the allegations of Biden’s conflicts of interest, dismissing them outright.

“There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against [Burisma Holdings owner Mykola] Zlochevsky,” Kasko said. “It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015.”

On top of that, Biden wasn’t necessarily wrong to call out Shokin’s corruption. For many years, criticisms against the prosecutor general had been levied against him being corrupt and ineffective by leaders across Europe.


By the time Biden was making the calls for him to be dismissed from his position, hundreds of protests outside Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko’s offices were underway, with demands from citizens themselves for Shokin to get the boot. He was expelled from his position shortly after.
 

voyager

4Q2247365
What bothers me is when people get their shorts in a wad when one of their political opponents does something incompetent or corrupt, but then when one of the politicians they support does the exact same thing, suddenly lose interest in good governance.
This just in... Trump is President not Obama, not Clinton.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
Guiliani's interview with Cuomo was pathetic. The freak kept running his tongue out and reminded me of a snake...a poisonous snake. He wouldn't let Cuomo get a word in edgeways while he tried to change the subject from Ukraine to Joe Biden. He's such a disgusting old fool.
Guiliani is like Trump in that both first deny the charges against them, then spill the beans. In this case, it's Trump wrongly asking Ukraine president to help him in the 2020 election and hurt his opponent.....like Putin helped Trump and hurt Hillary in 2016. It was unethical and unAmerican then and is now.

Corrupt sociopaths Rudy and Trump:
1. We didn't do it.
2. Okay, we did it.
3. There's nothing wrong with doing it.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
USAToday reported:

Democratic presidential contender Kamala Harris came to Biden’s defense and hammered Trump over reports that he sought foreign help to go after a political rival.

“He has openly invited interference," the California senator told reporters prior to a speech in Waterloo, Iowa. “And now we have information that suggests that, again, he has engaged in that kind of behavior. What he fails to understand is that he is the president of the United States, and that the office of the president of the United States is the people’s office — not his office. And he may be afraid of a candidate in this election.”

“Well then win on merit, but leave Joe Biden alone in terms of being in cahoots and collaborating with a foreign government to attack our democracy,” Harris said. "That’s what this is about. It’s really basic. Donald Trump appears to be collaborating with foreign governments to attack America’s democracy.”
 

EatTheRich

President
That's absurd. I never said he couldn't do ANYTHING for Obama - just not anything that would look like he (or his family) was benefitting from.

In fact the State Department would have been better positioned to do this. Obama could have made the call himself. Why did Joe have to do it?
Again, anything he did, you would have created a reason to say it looked like he or his family was benefitting. Just as you did with the corruption scandal that wasn’t in Ukraine.
 
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