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Biggest Witch Hunt In The History Of The World??

georgephillip

georgephillip

Senator
Raoul_Luke said:
He was still being hounded by the Mueller "investigation" even then. The report dropped after the dems took over and they ended up with not a single thing they could impeach him over. They had staked all of their chips on that and when they lost, they scrambled to come up with something else and this phone call was the best they could do.

I agree if you are, as it appears, admitting this current impeachment effort is complete horse manure. You can certainly start hoping the tax returns will finally give you guys the wooden stake to drive through Trump's heart, but I suspect there's noting illegal there either. Remember, he's been under audit for at least a decade - if there was any there, there, the IRS would have found it by now. If you are suggesting bank fraud in this attempt to borrow the money to buy the Bills - since he didn't get the loan it's going to be kind of hard to make that case.
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Raoul_Luke said:
He was still being hounded by the Mueller "investigation" even then. The report dropped after the dems took over and they ended up with not a single thing they could impeach him over. They had staked all of their chips on that and when they lost, they scrambled to come up with something else and this phone call was the best they could do.
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I'm confused as to how Mueller was hounding Trump about his 2014 meeting with Deutsche Bank when, by all accounts, life-long Republican fixer Robert Mueller did not cross Trump's red line concerning his personal finances?

My reading of Mueller's Report offers up multiple examples of possible criminal acts including a quid pro quo offer to KT McFarland involving an ambassadorship::eek:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-document.html#g-page-215 (Vol. II; P.2)

"Conduct involving FBI Director Comey and Michael Flynn. In mid-January 2017, incoming National Security Advisor Michael Flynn falsely denied to the Vice President, other administration officials, and FBI agents that he had talked to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak about Russia’s response to U.S. sanctions on Russia for its election interference.

"On January 27, the day after the President was told that Flynn had lied to the Vice President and had made similar statements to the FBI, the President invited FBI Director Comey to a private dinner at the White House and told Comey that he needed loyalty.

"On February 14, the day after the President requested Flynn’s resignation, the President told an outside advisor, 'Now that we fired Flynn, the Russia thing is over.' The advisor disagreed and said the investigations would continue.

"Later that afternoon, the President cleared the Oval Office to have a one-on-one meeting with Comey. Referring to the FBI’s investigation of Flynn, the President said, 'I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.'

"Shortly after requesting Flynn’s resignation and speaking privately to Comey, the President sought to have Deputy National Security Advisor K.T. McFarland draft an internal letter stating that the President had not directed Flynn to discuss sanctions with Kislyak.

"McFarland declined because she did not know whether that was true, and a White House Counsel’s Office attorney thought that the request would look like a quid pro quo for an ambassadorship she had been offered. "
 
georgephillip

georgephillip

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The Thinker said:
Trump talked to a bank. Wow. Seriously, bro? :eek::D:p
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The Thinker said:
Trump talked to a bank. Wow. Seriously, bro?
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I can't help wondering how long can Trump talk without telling a lie?

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies

"The president’s businesses made themselves appear more profitable to lenders and less profitable to tax officials. One expert calls the differing numbers 'versions of fraud.'"
 
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georgephillip said:
I can't help wondering how long can Trump talk without telling a lie?

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies

"The president’s businesses made themselves appear more profitable to lenders and less profitable to tax officials. One expert calls the differing numbers 'versions of fraud.'"
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Dude.... that's the name of the game in real estate. Get your assessed value as low as possible to reduce your taxes. Make your operation appear as profitable as possible to lenders. Every real estate investor in the world operates like this.

Would you do it differently? Are you going to state the value of your property as high as possible, resulting in higher taxes? Of course not. For tax purposes, you want the value as low as you can get away with.

Come time to borrow money, are you going to state the lowest possible value? Or the highest?
 
georgephillip

georgephillip

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The Thinker said:
Dude.... that's the name of the game in real estate. Get your assessed value as low as possible to reduce your taxes. Make your operation appear as profitable as possible to lenders. Every real estate investor in the world operates like this.

Would you do it differently? Are you going to state the value of your property as high as possible, resulting in higher taxes? Of course not. For tax purposes, you want the value as low as you can get away with.

Come time to borrow money, are you going to state the lowest possible value? Or the highest?
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Does this sound kosher?

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies

"For instance, Trump told the lender that he took in twice as much rent from one building as he reported to tax authorities during the same year, 2017."
 
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georgephillip said:
Does this sound kosher?

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies

"For instance, Trump told the lender that he took in twice as much rent from one building as he reported to tax authorities during the same year, 2017."
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No, that does not sound kosher. I've heard some landlords may pocket a month's rent here and there and not report it. Mind you I'd NEVER do something like that. ;)

But doubling or halving? Not cool.
 
georgephillip

georgephillip

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The Thinker said:
No, that does not sound kosher. I've heard some landlords may pocket a month's rent here and there and not report it. Mind you I'd NEVER do something like that. ;)

But doubling or halving? Not cool.
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Trump has been convicted on a couple of civil tax fraud charges, and there seems to be no lack of interest in finding criminal complaints against him:

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies

"That’s one reason that multiple governmental entities, including two congressional committees and the office of the Manhattan district attorney, have subpoenaed Donald Trump’s tax returns.

"Trump has resisted, taking his battles to federal courts in Washington and New York.

"And so the question of whether different parts of the government can see the president’s financial information is now playing out in two appeals courts and seems destined to make it to the U.S. Supreme Court.

"Add to that a Washington Post account of an IRS whistleblower claiming political interference in the handling of the president’s audit, and the result is what amounts to frenetic interest in one person’s tax returns."
 
Mick

Mick

The Right is always right
Bronwyn

Bronwyn

Unapoligetically Republican
JuliefromOhio said:
That's what Republicans did to Clinton.

Republicans chased after Clinton from day one. Remember the Whitewater real estate deal that went down before Clinton even took office? Anyway, they hounded Clinton until they found something and impeached him for lying to the American people about a sexual affair.

How many times has Trump lied to the American people? It's 13,000+.
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Clinton was impeached for LYING TO A GRAND JURY.
 
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EatTheRich

President
Raoul_Luke said:
I am referring to the fact, of course, that the investigation into "Russian collusion" began well before Trump took the oath of office.
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The investigation into conspiracy with Russia began when Trump underling Rosenstein appointed Mueller. The counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s efforts to influence the election began earlier.
 
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EatTheRich

President
Bronwyn said:
Clinton was impeached for LYING TO A GRAND JURY.
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And acquitted since 1) the “lie” was not about anything material to the case at hand as required by the perjury statute; 2) what he said was truthful given the stipulated definition of “sexual relations” even if going by some people’s colloquial understanding it looked like a lie.
 
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EatTheRich said:
And acquitted since 1) the “lie” was not about anything material to the case at hand as required by the perjury statute; 2) what he said was truthful given the stipulated definition of “sexual relations” even if going by some people’s colloquial understanding it looked like a lie.
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Bill Clinton went on trial for lying? I guess I missed that.
 
Raoul_Luke

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
EatTheRich said:
The investigation into conspiracy with Russia began when Trump underling Rosenstein appointed Mueller. The counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s efforts to influence the election began earlier.
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A distinction without a difference...
 
Raoul_Luke

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
EatTheRich said:
Well, as it turns out an investigation of Russia’s interference entailed an investigation of the Trump campaign. But there is no reason to think that would have been apparent at the outset.
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We'll see about that when Durham files his report (and, presumably, indictments). I think we'll see that the decision to investigate "Russian interference" (which by the way, they have done to us and we have done to them for generations), was actually designed to give cover for an investigation of the Trump campaign. You go right ahead with your sycophancy toward the "intelligence community" and "justice department" that concocted this sorry episode in America's history. I'm sticking with my (60's radical) innate distrust of the government.
 
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