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200 years from now ,where will be the need for "God"?

GordonGecko

GordonGecko

President
You're a consciousness, downloaded onto a world-spanning computer network....virtually immortal, beyond the need for actual food or sex or bathroom breaks, or the risks of pain or disease or infirmity. You can create "Heavenly" virtual realities at a whim....break 'em, re-build 'em, make the "world" you interact with as you like.

What will the idea of "God" offer you?

BTW, you can't even take Communion, except "virtually"...no mouth, tongue, throat,etc. :)
 
NightSwimmer

NightSwimmer

Senator
If I was a brain in a vat, I think I'd like to have a God, just so that He could smite me and put me out of my misery. ;)
 
GordonGecko

GordonGecko

President
NightSwimmer said:
If I was a brain in a vat, I think I'd like to have a God, just so that He could smite me and put me out of my misery. ;)
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You don't know you're a brain in a vat (besides you're thinking too 1950s Bela Lugosi movie :) ).....you're a consciousness on a vast computer network, capable of creating a virtual reality (think Holodeck from Star Trek...including your own body as part of the simulation).
 
PhilFish

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
GordonGecko said:
You don't know you're a brain in a vat (besides you're thinking too 1950s Bela Lugosi movie :) ).....you're a consciousness on a vast computer network, capable of creating a virtual reality (think Holodeck from Star Trek...including your own body as part of the simulation).
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the Matrix ...Gecko Redux???
 
Ben Arnold

Ben Arnold

Council Member
Yes. God will be needed 2 centurion hence to explain how with each new discovery by scientists who are overwhelmingly Atheist and help the Champions of ignorance better understand God's plan to create every particle in the Cosmos in its planned purpose and place, proving the unlimited intelligence God possess, deserving our praise and devotion at Churches where His Word is read a bit more selectively, since the more science discovers that helps Theists better understand His plan, the more of His Word is so far off the mark that the only thing to do is say His Way is so Mysterious and Wonderful that the scientists discovering His plan cannot understand the plan from 2300 years ago that Biblical Scholars getting Trinity College doctorates in divinity and techniques for styling their God-given great hair He Blessed them with to advance His plan for us, who in fact see how the 1000s of loaves and fishes was speaking specifically of a bit of trickery Jesus did while hearing a million prayers and answering true believers with ailments that require no limb replacement, since the quantum physics Jesus used to move salmon from North Pacific waters to the basket with laser we just recently discovered can move large amounts of organic and baked matter at faster than light speed, and coincidentally have made 3D holographic video possible on virtual billboard projection systems, which have found is getting tons of interest from Christian groups running billboard ad campaigns to say Atheists are evil and guilty of treason punishable by virtual crucifixion that extends life while increasing pain receptor sensitivity progressively because God loves punishment of Atheists since He's a loving God.
 
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Craig

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
NightSwimmer said:
Man... I'd really be depressed when it got to the point at which I became bored with hot chicks.
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Too much of anything...

I spent a year on Siesta Key; 45 seconds from door to beach chair. The parade was constant and quite enjoyable, yet after a few months I found myself more attracted to businesswomen in skirts working in the downtown offices than the bikini clad sunbunnies. Still hot...but the mystery added something, I'll admit.

But of course that isn't the same as getting bored with them...just their clothes.
 
GordonGecko

GordonGecko

President
PhilFish said:
then you should come pay a visit... it'll be chock full o hot chicks.
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Exactly my point......God (except maybe Allah) doesn't promise hot chicks in Heaven. As Mark Twain noted, He apparently "left out" one of the greatest pleasures of Man in his "Paradise".

Meanwhile the "disembodied consciousness" cruising around the Mega-Net and setting up virtual worlds.....is having foursomes with Sofia Vergara, Halle Berry, and Christina Hendricks from "Mad Men".

How does God beat that??? :)
 
GordonGecko

GordonGecko

President
Craig said:
Too much of anything...

I spent a year on Siesta Key; 45 seconds from door to beach chair. The parade was constant and quite enjoyable, yet after a few months I found myself more attracted to businesswomen in skirts working in the downtown offices than the bikini clad sunbunnies. Still hot...but the mystery added something, I'll admit.

But of course that isn't the same as getting bored with them...just their clothes.
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But it's a good "microscopic slice" of what I was talking about in Renee's "after-life" thread. Eventually all the fun stuff you can think of...runs out or gets boring....and you're still stuck with Eternity to pass the time.
 
NightSwimmer

NightSwimmer

Senator
GordonGecko said:
Exactly my point......God (except maybe Allah) doesn't promise hot chicks in Heaven. As Mark Twain noted, He apparently "left out" one of the greatest pleasures of Man in his "Paradise".

Meanwhile the "disembodied consciousness" cruising around the Mega-Net and setting up virtual worlds.....is having foursomes with Sofia Vergara, Halle Berry, and Christina Hendricks from "Mad Men".

How does God beat that??? :)
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Maybe God has Viagra? ;)
 
Craig

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
GordonGecko said:
But it's a good "microscopic slice" of what I was talking about in Renee's "after-life" thread. Eventually all the fun stuff you can think of...runs out or gets boring....and you're still stuck with Eternity to pass the time.
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I was thinking about that thread as I posted.

Another non personal example. Watching Getaway: Seth and Josh Meyers in Amsterdam, Josh was talking about how he lived in LA now, but got tired of the sunny days. He enjoyed the rain Amsterdam.

There are people who can do the same thing day in and day out and revel in the clockwork of it all. Perhaps they are already in some sort of eternal loop.
 
GordonGecko

GordonGecko

President
Or how about the old Twilight Zone with Larry Blyden and Sebastian Cabot....where the thief dies and goes to "Heaven"....gets everything he wants (even despite 60s censorship, multiple women).....and then gets bored after a few months and asks his "guardian angel" to "Send me to the Other Place"....

and Cabot (the "angel") starts laughing and says "This IS the 'Other Place'!!!!!"
 
N

nfp guy

Council Member
Ben Arnold said:
Yes. God will be needed 2 centurion hence to explain how with each new discovery by scientists who are overwhelmingly Atheist and help the Champions of ignorance better understand God's plan to create every particle in the Cosmos in its planned purpose and place, proving the unlimited intelligence God possess, deserving our praise and devotion at Churches where His Word is read a bit more selectively, since the more science discovers that helps Theists better understand His plan, the more of His Word is so far off the mark that the only thing to do is say His Way is so Mysterious and Wonderful that the scientists discovering His plan cannot understand the plan from 2300 years ago that Biblical Scholars getting Trinity College doctorates in divinity and techniques for styling their God-given great hair He Blessed them with to advance His plan for us, who in fact see how the 1000s of loaves and fishes was speaking specifically of a bit of trickery Jesus did while hearing a million prayers and answering true believers with ailments that require no limb replacement, since the quantum physics Jesus used to move salmon from North Pacific waters to the basket with laser we just recently discovered can move large amounts of organic and baked matter at faster than light speed, and coincidentally have made 3D holographic video possible on virtual billboard projection systems, which have found is getting tons of interest from Christian groups running billboard ad campaigns to say Atheists are evil and guilty of treason punishable by virtual crucifixion that extends life while increasing pain receptor sensitivity progressively because God loves punishment of Atheists since He's a loving God.
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Wow, that is a looooooooooong sentence!
 
Craig

Craig

Senator
Supporting Member
GordonGecko said:
Or how about the old Twilight Zone with Larry Blyden and Sebastian Cabot....where the thief dies and goes to "Heaven"....gets everything he wants (even despite 60s censorship, multiple women).....and then gets bored after a few months and asks his "guardian angel" to "Send me to the Other Place"....

and Cabot (the "angel") starts laughing and says "This IS the 'Other Place'!!!!!"
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fairsheet

fairsheet

Senator
GordonGecko said:
Exactly my point......God (except maybe Allah) doesn't promise hot chicks in Heaven. As Mark Twain noted, He apparently "left out" one of the greatest pleasures of Man in his "Paradise".

Meanwhile the "disembodied consciousness" cruising around the Mega-Net and setting up virtual worlds.....is having foursomes with Sofia Vergara, Halle Berry, and Christina Hendricks from "Mad Men".

How does God beat that??? :)
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Speaking of Allah....I listened to a fascinating interview with a Muslim fellow a little while back. It sounds as if Islam's perception of heaven is pretty much the same as the one I was taught. It's "whatever you want it to be".
 
Ben Arnold

Ben Arnold

Council Member
nfp guy said:
Wow, that is a looooooooooong sentence!
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Instant paragraph. Just add periods.

Meanwhile, I'm not seeing a point at which ancient superstitions will ever be abandoned by Theists, regardless of new scientific discoveries.

Consider what we already know and have known for a long time: evolution. It's absolutely how species came to be. No doubt whatsoever, except by some who simply deny it on its face, not caring to deal with the obvious truth, except maybe copy paste some absurd and patently false postulate from a Web site that serves the willfully ignorant.

Solution? Simple, for most Theists, especially Christians in the US: it's how God created us. It utterly contradicts the Biblical description of creation, which is already in utter contrast of biological processes we know and learned in school, ie, single breeding pairs, Noah's Ark, the definition of extinction due to lack of genetic diversity needed to sustain a species. Hell; one hundred breeding pairs is endangered species list. The Biblical creation reeks the ignorance of the time the Bible came from. So ignore the obviously absurd claims on specifics of human and animal existence and focus on what speaks to God's wish for us and believe it all or mostly all, well not all obviously since there's no one alive that thinks planting with mingled seeds is a sin not an abomination unto God.

Heck; just accept God is there, and maybe the nutty stuff is misunderstood but the relevant to today this or that is His will works just fine. Plus Jesus loves us, and also has a form, mentally we can visualize as something real. Plus he went through unimaginable misery for us. Easy.

A stain to any critical thinking person to see it as even close to factual, and self contradicting, but to people who believe, it's cake. God is. He cares. He wants us to be good. So go with our sense of good by today's standards. Attend church. Accept it unquestioningly. To do anything other than that ignores the simple truth that a god has to exist, and Almighty God is that.

Never will that acceptance of something not a shread of evidence supports, but it is, deeply, by an overwhelming majority, ever be challenged, at any time, no matter the evidence against it, which exists already. Samo samo in 200 years.

No doubt of it.
 
Havelock

Havelock

Mayor
GordonGecko said:
You're a consciousness, downloaded onto a world-spanning computer network....virtually immortal, beyond the need for actual food or sex or bathroom breaks, or the risks of pain or disease or infirmity. You can create "Heavenly" virtual realities at a whim....break 'em, re-build 'em, make the "world" you interact with as you like.

What will the idea of "God" offer you?

BTW, you can't even take Communion, except "virtually"...no mouth, tongue, throat,etc. :)
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Whenever I hear this sort of question, I think of a science fiction story I read decades ago. In it, a regular, everyday schmo is visited by God almighty. The Almighty proposes to make this guy God in his stead, after which the old God will extinguish himself. This was years before Morgan Freeman made a somewhat similar offer to Jim Carrey.

Short story short, the guy refuses to take the offer at face value at first, but soon enough decides to give it a try. Much to his amazement, the offer is genuine and Mr. Schmo finds himself suddenly omnipotent and omniscient. His first reaction is to make every hot babe in the world fall madly in love with him – and he indulges himself till he's sated beyond the capacity of any human to indulge. After that, he plays around with reshaping the human world to deal with all the questions and challenges humanity has struggled with since time immemorial. After that, he amuses himself by creating new worlds in such a way as to bypass the questions and challenges that humanity has struggled with since time immemorial. After that, he amuses himself by creating a host of universes that operate according to various physical laws, just to see how things turn out.

Eventually he becomes bored with it all. At that point he appears to an everyday schmo in one of his creations and proposes to make that guy God in his stead, after which he says that he will extinguish himself.

Sounds about right.

Cheers.
 
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