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14th Amendment Requires Counting of "Citizens"

Dawg

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No way do leftist want Americans to know exactly how many illegals are in America.
 

EatTheRich

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It seems it also requires states with disfranchising laws like N. Carolina to have their representation drastically reduced.
 

Dawg

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It seems it also requires states with disfranchising laws like N. Carolina to have their representation drastically reduced.
High Majority of voters in NC voted for Voter ID, fed judge proved voting is useless now days and why is it you think blacks are so stupid they don't know how to get ID's?

They have ID's, if not there's ton's of things than can't do in America, hell, no ID no doctors appointment so what good is ObamaCare?
 

EatTheRich

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High Majority of voters in NC voted for Voter ID, fed judge proved voting is useless now days and why is it you think blacks are so stupid they don't know how to get ID's?

They have ID's, if not there's ton's of things than can't do in America, hell, no ID no doctors appointment so what good is ObamaCare?
The fact that people who can’t get any ID have a lot of obstacles in their way is not a legitimate reason to put obstacles in the path of voting by people who can’t get one of the very specific forms of ID (chosen after determining which choice would maximize the racial disparity in opportunity, which is why it was struck down) required to vote.
 
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The fact that people who can’t get any ID have a lot of obstacles in their way is not a legitimate reason to put obstacles in the path of voting by people who can’t get one of the very specific forms of ID (chosen after determining which choice would maximize the racial disparity in opportunity, which is why it was struck down) required to vote.
Translation: N!GG3R5 aren't smart or competent enough to get an ID card!
 

EatTheRich

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Translation: N!GG3R5 aren't smart or competent enough to get an ID card!
It’s not about intelligence or competence, it’s about opportunity to get one with reasonable effort. It is a fact, established by countless investigations that (as intended) Blacks are less likely to be able to get one of the very specific kinds of ID required for voting (which might require getting birth certificates and other documents at your own expense, taking a day off work, getting transportation to go dozens of miles to the nearest office, and weathering threats of violence by people who would rather not see you vote), and you have to do it again every time you change address, which Blacks on average do considerably more often than whites due to discrimination. But poor whites have their votes taken away by these laws too.
 
It’s not about intelligence or competence, it’s about opportunity to get one with reasonable effort. It is a fact, established by countless investigations that (as intended) Blacks are less likely to be able to get one of the very specific kinds of ID required for voting (which might require getting birth certificates and other documents at your own expense, taking a day off work, getting transportation to go dozens of miles to the nearest office, and weathering threats of violence by people who would rather not see you vote), and you have to do it again every time you change address, which Blacks on average do considerably more often than whites due to discrimination. But poor whites have their votes taken away by these laws too.
This is bs. Blacks have the same ID's and driver's licenses everybody else has. It's a lie the poor seniors don't have ID's. They have to have them to cash their SS checks.
 

EatTheRich

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This is bs. Blacks have the same ID's and driver's licenses everybody else has. It's a lie the poor seniors don't have ID's. They have to have them to cash their SS checks.
You can use a nursing home ID card with a photo on it to cash a check. You can use a driver’s license with a former address on it to cash a check. You can’t use either to vote.
 
Then there would be no need to count citizens under the terms cited. You’re wrong, though. Felon disfranchisement and restrictive voter ID laws.
Voter ID laws are not restrictive. That's another lie. And felons are being punished. States are allowed to determine punishment
 

EatTheRich

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Voter ID laws are not restrictive. That's another lie. And felons are being punished. States are allowed to determine punishment
Voter ID laws, especially in former Jim Crow states, are restrictive and intentionally so. For example, it was proved in court that in N. Carolina they had studied which sorts of ID Blacks were least likely to have and made those the only IDs acceptable for voting purposes.

Felon disfranchisement, combined with racial discrimination, amounts to a racial and class barrier to voting. But even if you support it, it remains the case that under the 14th Amendment states that practice it should lose Congressional seats and Electoral College votes.
 
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