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78% say school teachers aren’t paid enough

kaz

Small l libertarian
Truthfully, I try to be a professional when I work at a school. I leave ALL my politics in the car. And so do about 91 percent of all the teachers.

When I taught English at a small community college in Orlando, I deliberately withheld my political views from the class when it came time for them to write an essay. I told them to write from the heart and not worry about what I thought, that their political views would not affect their grade in the slightest.

It's a shame modern day professors at these expensive diploma mills can't be as professional.
Yes, conservative professors are like you. The leftist ones wear their politics on their sleeve
 

Winston

Do you feel lucky, Punk
My daughter goes to Berkeley, and she keeps her politics completely hidden. You're exactly right. There is no liberal tolerance coming from the left
That is completely unfair to your daughter, this constitutes a violation of the most basic freedoms that we have as Americans
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
Teachers work an average of 16 hour days


They are not, that's ridiculous. I've owned 5 businesses, cut your stupid shit about telling me that I would complain about working lots of hours. You want to work a lot, run your own businesses


It isn't the teachers who are delivering the shitty product. It is the system. I'll even go one further. (And remember, I'm a RUSH [Unwelcome language removed] LIMBAUGH CONSERVATIVE so I should have a LITTLE street cred on this. If the problem was the teachers, you know goddam well I'd say it.)

I'm not arguing it's ONLY the teachers. But when we have the worst schools in the west while they are the most expensive in the world and to absolve the person actually in the classroom is absurd. You're really not explaining how the person in front of the class has no real effect on the quality of the education the kids are getting. That makes no sense.

And blaming the textbooks? Seriously? So a textbook is what determines if the kids learn or not? Great, then let's spend more on textbooks and less on teachers. Think about it. You're arguing far more persuasively teachers are OVER paid since you're saying they have so little to do with the quality of education. That sure isn't an argument we should be paying them more


What else is new? What union ISN'T leftist? That doesn't change the fact that Florida is a right to work state, which means a person cannot be legally prohibited from getting a job without being in a union, which I AGREE with, wholeheartedly. Yes, government administrators are leftist. (HEY, FELLOW CONSERVATIVE. I THINK YOU HAVE FINALLY SWERVED INTO THE REAL PROBLEM AND THE REAL ISSUE) It isn't the teachers who are [Unwelcome language removed] up the system. They don't have the power.
It's the goddam school boards at the county, state, and federal levels


OK, but that is totally unpersuasive that we should pay teachers more anyway. You're arguing they have nothing to do with the quality of education. So let's find some savings and find some cheaper ones

Want me to fix it? King RX has a few mandates he would put out: 1. Get rid of the Department of Education. Block grant its funding to the states. 2. Pass a federal law that teachers can suspend or expel students who commit acts of violence. (ESE students get a pass on this.) 3. Recognize that ANY change or improvements in education will be accomplish ONLY at the county level because that's where most of the control and most of the funding comes from. 4. Enforce the country's immigration laws and REQUIRE that all public students be as fluent in English as kids born here. Or do you think it's fair to hold a teacher accountable for the grades of a student who doesn't speak English at all?


I pretty much agree with that. Though I would end government schools completely and let private schools do the job. My kids went to both public and private schools. The private schools were cheaper and better

There is no such union. And the feds are doing the most damage. They are giving the impression that the answer comes from Washington. And this only creates a bureaucrat class of hacks who draw huge salaries and create useless extra work loads for teachers who barely have time to do their jobs right now.
I find your continued argument that teachers are just work mules and yet have little to do with the quality of education perplexing as a defense of paying them more
 

Winston

Do you feel lucky, Punk

They are not, that's ridiculous. I've owned 5 businesses, cut your stupid shit about telling me that I would complain about working lots of hours. You want to work a lot, run your own businesses




I'm not arguing it's ONLY the teachers. But when we have the worst schools in the west while they are the most expensive in the world and to absolve the person actually in the classroom is absurd. You're really not explaining how the person in front of the class has no real effect on the quality of the education the kids are getting. That makes no sense.

And blaming the textbooks? Seriously? So a textbook is what determines if the kids learn or not? Great, then let's spend more on textbooks and less on teachers. Think about it. You're arguing far more persuasively teachers are OVER paid since you're saying they have so little to do with the quality of education. That sure isn't an argument we should be paying them more




OK, but that is totally unpersuasive that we should pay teachers more anyway. You're arguing they have nothing to do with the quality of education. So let's find some savings and find some cheaper ones



I pretty much agree with that. Though I would end government schools completely and let private schools do the job. My kids went to both public and private schools. The private schools were cheaper and better



I find your continued argument that teachers are just work mules and yet have little to do with the quality of education perplexing as a defense of paying them more
This guy is obviously a socialist and wants to be annointed
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
This guy is obviously a socialist and wants to be annointed
I don't think he's a socialist, he's probably at least moderately conservative. I just don't think he's giving a realistic perspective of how government schools are poor quality and yet expensive and ergo we should pay teachers more while simultaneously arguing they have nothing to do with the quality of education.

I also agree with him the entire system is failing, not just teachers. Again though, that means we should pay teachers more makes no sense.

What we need is a better answer. Vouchers and private schools. There should only be a government school in truly rural areas that cannot support more than one school
 

Winston

Do you feel lucky, Punk
I don't think he's a socialist, he's probably at least moderately conservative. I just don't think he's giving a realistic perspective of how government schools are poor quality and yet expensive and ergo we should pay teachers more while simultaneously arguing they have nothing to do with the quality of education.

I also agree with him the entire system is failing, not just teachers. Again though, that means we should pay teachers more makes no sense.

What we need is a better answer. Vouchers and private schools. There should only be a government school in truly rural areas that cannot support more than one school
All conservatives see the ugly hate that exist in schools today. The only way not to see it is if you are part of the hate itself. This guy is defending the situation that your daughter is exposed to, this is inexcusable for a conservative, but situation normal for baby killers
 

reason10

Governor


They are not, that's ridiculous. I've owned 5 businesses, cut your stupid shit about telling me that I would complain about working lots of hours. You want to work a lot, run your own businesses


They are too. That's the only way they can get the work done.

I'm not arguing it's ONLY the teachers. But when we have the worst schools in the west while they are the most expensive in the world and to absolve the person actually in the classroom is absurd. You're really not explaining how the person in front of the class has no real effect on the quality of the education the kids are getting. That makes no sense.

Public schools are a product of trickle down philosophy. The big money is made by the hacks who do not teach. The people who make the most money are not the product. THAT'S why our schools are so expensive. In any case, you're trying to change the subject. I DIDN'T say teachers had no effect on the education of the yutes at all. That's not what the thread is about. What I DID say was if teachers are making a certain amount of money and they get better at their jobs (which is what happens over a period of time when a teacher gets experience), AND when their work load is increased, it is normal to increase their pay. It's called paying for what you get. You want more, you should pay more. It's as simple as that. I know teachers who haven't gotten a raise in five years and their work load has tripled.

And blaming the textbooks?

In this thread, I haven't blamed the textbooks. I've SEEN them. I've seen the Common Core variety and others. They are nothing more than tools. Most skillful teachers are able to construct lesson plans based on these books.



Seriously? So a textbook is what determines if the kids learn or not? Great, then let's spend more on textbooks and less on teachers. Think about it. You're arguing far more persuasively teachers are OVER paid since you're saying they have so little to do with the quality of education. That sure isn't an argument we should be paying them more.

What I'm arguing is very simple, (regardless of how much you try to change the subject and LIE about what I've said.) I work in this system. I see what you don't see. The teachers don't get raises but they get increased work loads every year. Even [Unwelcome language removed] MCDONALDS treats their high school dropout burger flippers better than that.


OK, but that is totally unpersuasive that we should pay teachers more anyway.

We should pay for what we get. If the product is improved (which it ALWAYS is due to experience) AND if the work load is increased, we should pay for that. And like I said, the [Unwelcome language removed] BURGER CHAINS treat their employees better.

You're arguing they have nothing to do with the quality of education. So let's find some savings and find some cheaper ones.

Actually, I argue that teachers ARE the quality of education, for the most part. (Yes, there are some who aren't, who are lazy, who don't take the job seriously. They don't represent a majority of the teachers in any given school, at least not in the three counties in Florida where I have subbed. But by the same token, if parents don't do their [Unwelcome language removed] jobs and CIVILIZE their little monsters, if foreigner parents don't get off their fat asses and teach their kids to speak English, you CAN'T hold a teacher accountable for that.


I pretty much agree with that. Though I would end government schools completely and let private schools do the job. My kids went to both public and private schools. The private schools were cheaper and better.

Of ALL people, Joe Clark, former principal and SAVIOR of Eastside High, in New Jersey, actually advocated going completely to public schools. That mentality (which is surprising, coming from him) ignores a lot of reality. Today, like it or not, public schools are the system. For the most part, they are also the path to college for most ordinary students. I would be all for private schools, provided they are held to the SAME standards as public schools. I would go even further in demanding that ALL politicians be required to send their kids to public schools. No more Cadillac "Sidwell Friends" academies for the Chelseas or the Obamas. They take their bodyguards and they eat in the same cafeterias as the grunts, the people paying the taxes.


I find your continued argument that teachers are just work mules and yet have little to do with the quality of education perplexing as a defense of paying them more.

I never said that. I WILL say that teachers are being TREATED like work mules by the cheap fucks in local school boards who set the salaries. They are being forced to take on more tasks, more responsibilities with NO corresponding raise in pay, something NO OTHER INDUSTRY WOULD GET AWAY WITH.


Example: One teacher said this year her salary went up about $800 for the year, total. And the deductible on her health insurance went up to $5000. Tell me again how THAT'S fair.
(Yes, I know one has little to do with the other. Health insurance companies don't cause the price gouging. They're just responsible for paying claims. )


(And remember, this is a LOCAL, COUNTY thing. I learned this from experience. Not all counties in Florida pay the same for teachers. Seminole County actually has a graded increase every year, which compensates for a teacher's getting better with experience. Charlotte County had one tiny increase while its insurer jacked up the deductibles. Lee County has a shortage of teachers because many are leaving the county due to the fact that their pay can no longer keep up with the rising cost of housing. Orange County pays more than Lee or Charlotte, but has an ENORMOUS teacher shortage due to teachers leaving the profession because of the high cost of living in Orlando. In the year 2000, there were about 3000 subs in Orange County and the first day of school over 300 classes went without teachers, even after all the subs were deployed. You get what you pay for.)

 

reason10

Governor
All conservatives see the ugly hate that exist in schools today. The only way not to see it is if you are part of the hate itself. This guy is defending the situation that your daughter is exposed to, this is inexcusable for a conservative, but situation normal for baby killers.

I have been fortunate. The university I graduated from didn't have the problem with politics. It was a small campus, dedicated to business career degrees and paralegal degrees.

So far in two counties in Florida, I haven't seen any real problem with partisan politics. Yes, at a couple of schools, a teacher has a huge OBAMA sign in the classroom. She probably kneels and prays to it during lunch, for all I know. But this isn't the culture of that school. I haven't seen any real hate in any of the public schools I've subbed at, so far. And I've worked some very rough inner city campuses in both Lee and Charlotte Counties.

If you want to know our greatest asset in the public school (especially the inner city ones) it is the young black teachers. Regular white teachers have to watch every word they say, lest they be disciplined for hurting the feelings of some spoiled hellhound of a kid. But administrators are terrified of coming down on black teachers, and these black teachers are able to go old school on the brats. They'll come after a slacker in a way a white teacher wouldn't dare. The brats are afraid of those firebrand black teachers. And here's the thing: They have ZERO patience with ANY students getting lazy, showing attitude and not doing their work. These black teachers have seen their own people drop out of school, get into crime and wind up either in prison or dead. And they are at war with the system.

Hell, put those black teachers in charge of the schools on the state level and give them a free hand and you'll see things improve very quickly.
 

Winston

Do you feel lucky, Punk

They are not, that's ridiculous. I've owned 5 businesses, cut your stupid shit about telling me that I would complain about working lots of hours. You want to work a lot, run your own businesses


They are too. That's the only way they can get the work done.

I'm not arguing it's ONLY the teachers. But when we have the worst schools in the west while they are the most expensive in the world and to absolve the person actually in the classroom is absurd. You're really not explaining how the person in front of the class has no real effect on the quality of the education the kids are getting. That makes no sense.

Public schools are a product of trickle down philosophy. The big money is made by the hacks who do not teach. The people who make the most money are not the product. THAT'S why our schools are so expensive. In any case, you're trying to change the subject. I DIDN'T say teachers had no effect on the education of the yutes at all. That's not what the thread is about. What I DID say was if teachers are making a certain amount of money and they get better at their jobs (which is what happens over a period of time when a teacher gets experience), AND when their work load is increased, it is normal to increase their pay. It's called paying for what you get. You want more, you should pay more. It's as simple as that. I know teachers who haven't gotten a raise in five years and their work load has tripled.


And blaming the textbooks?

In this thread, I haven't blamed the textbooks. I've SEEN them. I've seen the Common Core variety and others. They are nothing more than tools. Most skillful teachers are able to construct lesson plans based on these books.



Seriously? So a textbook is what determines if the kids learn or not? Great, then let's spend more on textbooks and less on teachers. Think about it. You're arguing far more persuasively teachers are OVER paid since you're saying they have so little to do with the quality of education. That sure isn't an argument we should be paying them more.

What I'm arguing is very simple, (regardless of how much you try to change the subject and LIE about what I've said.) I work in this system. I see what you don't see. The teachers don't get raises but they get increased work loads every year. Even [Unwelcome language removed] MCDONALDS treats their high school dropout burger flippers better than that.


OK, but that is totally unpersuasive that we should pay teachers more anyway.

We should pay for what we get. If the product is improved (which it ALWAYS is due to experience) AND if the work load is increased, we should pay for that. And like I said, the [Unwelcome language removed] BURGER CHAINS treat their employees better.


You're arguing they have nothing to do with the quality of education. So let's find some savings and find some cheaper ones.

Actually, I argue that teachers ARE the quality of education, for the most part. (Yes, there are some who aren't, who are lazy, who don't take the job seriously. They don't represent a majority of the teachers in any given school, at least not in the three counties in Florida where I have subbed. But by the same token, if parents don't do their [Unwelcome language removed] jobs and CIVILIZE their little monsters, if foreigner parents don't get off their fat asses and teach their kids to speak English, you CAN'T hold a teacher accountable for that.


I pretty much agree with that. Though I would end government schools completely and let private schools do the job. My kids went to both public and private schools. The private schools were cheaper and better.

Of ALL people, Joe Clark, former principal and SAVIOR of Eastside High, in New Jersey, actually advocated going completely to public schools. That mentality (which is surprising, coming from him) ignores a lot of reality. Today, like it or not, public schools are the system. For the most part, they are also the path to college for most ordinary students. I would be all for private schools, provided they are held to the SAME standards as public schools. I would go even further in demanding that ALL politicians be required to send their kids to public schools. No more Cadillac "Sidwell Friends" academies for the Chelseas or the Obamas. They take their bodyguards and they eat in the same cafeterias as the grunts, the people paying the taxes.


I find your continued argument that teachers are just work mules and yet have little to do with the quality of education perplexing as a defense of paying them more.

I never said that. I WILL say that teachers are being TREATED like work mules by the cheap fucks in local school boards who set the salaries. They are being forced to take on more tasks, more responsibilities with NO corresponding raise in pay, something NO OTHER INDUSTRY WOULD GET AWAY WITH.


Example: One teacher said this year her salary went up about $800 for the year, total. And the deductible on her health insurance went up to $5000. Tell me again how THAT'S fair.
(Yes, I know one has little to do with the other. Health insurance companies don't cause the price gouging. They're just responsible for paying claims. )


(And remember, this is a LOCAL, COUNTY thing. I learned this from experience. Not all counties in Florida pay the same for teachers. Seminole County actually has a graded increase every year, which compensates for a teacher's getting better with experience. Charlotte County had one tiny increase while its insurer jacked up the deductibles. Lee County has a shortage of teachers because many are leaving the county due to the fact that their pay can no longer keep up with the rising cost of housing. Orange County pays more than Lee or Charlotte, but has an ENORMOUS teacher shortage due to teachers leaving the profession because of the high cost of living in Orlando. In the year 2000, there were about 3000 subs in Orange County and the first day of school over 300 classes went without teachers, even after all the subs were deployed. You get what you pay for.)
You clearly feel that you are entitled, you may also feel free to find a new job if you so choose.
That should be easy if you are as skilled as you say
 

reason10

Governor
Yes, conservative professors are like you. The leftist ones wear their politics on their sleeve
At that college, NONE of the adjunct professors (and we all were adjunct) brought our politics in the classroom. There just wasn't time..
 

reason10

Governor
Dude, this is not about you. Wear your Trump hat to Berkely for a week, you will be bloody in an hour, and that's at the hands of the professors not the students. If you do not know that this is happening you are delusional and as such are overpaid yourself. In fact the only way a person can be dumb enough to deny this is because they are part of it.

I'll set foot on Berkely campus only at gunpoint. Life is too short.
 

Winston

Do you feel lucky, Punk
At that college, NONE of the adjunct professors (and we all were adjunct) brought our politics in the classroom. There just wasn't time..
And no student dared wear a Trump hat or fail

Communism works the samecway
 

reason10

Governor
I'm a libertarian, so if you mean fiscal conservative then I'm that. But I'm consistent, I want my government out of my wallet AND my bedroom and I want it out of everyone else's crap.

Government controls the value of the money in your wallet. You have to pay taxes. It's the cost of living in this country. (Personally, I believe tax dollars are wasted on items we shouldn't have to pay for.) As far as government being in your bedroom, just don't set up a meth lab and don't murder anyone in that room and government will leave you alone.


I'm curious how you know it's not true since you just said you have no evidence either way.

It's an ignorant sweeping generalization. All teachers are underachievers in college? Allow me to enlighten you a moment. Teachers aren't attending college and getting useless Lesbian Dance Theory Degrees. They are getting education degrees and they are having to pass courses in the very subjects they will be teaching. Then they have to jump through even more hoops, including taking the CLAST. (which is no picnic.) Then they have to take even MORE courses on classroom management, African American management in the classroom, and yes, there is such a thing. They'll probably have to take extra course in transgenderism if there isn't some sanity deployed soon. When they are certified to teach public school (and I'm only speaking for Florida public schools) they have had to spend a lot of money and pass a lot of courses. And NONE of that prepares them for their first day in front of the students.


Also, why do we need to raise wages to get better teachers if teachers are already highly educated and got good grades as you claim?

I NEVER said we need to raise wages to get better teachers. That's a total insult to the teachers who are working the system today. What I did say is that we should pay for what we're getting. If the product is improving (which happens when a teacher gets more experience) the product is worth more. And when a larger job load is put on the teacher, it's only fair that the money be adjusted upward. HELL, MCDONALDS EVEN DOES THAT WITH ITS [Unwelcome language removed] MORON BURGER FLIPPERS WHEN THEY MANAGE TO GET BETTER AT THEIR JOBS, AND THESE ARE IDIOTS WHO DROPPED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL. Are you going to suggest the county should treat teachers any worse?

OK, that's a nonsense argument and fails basic logic. I said that their pay isn't bad when factored for all the time off they get.

You're trying to change the subject. (Funny, libertarians used to be a lot more intelligent in the early 90s, back when they were the party of the Andre Marrous and Ron Pauls.) I'm saying if a teacher's work load is increased, the money should be increased. You should pay for what you get, just like in ANY other line of work.

You came back with an anecdotal argument that teachers in one county can't afford to pay the cost of living.

Liberals use the term "anecdotal" when they are calling someone a liar. You aren't fooling anyone.

That doesn't contradict my point, Holmes. Why would we pay teachers more money because they want it? If they can't live on a less than full year round job, then yes, they need to get a full time year round job

I never said we should increase pay based on want or need. You are lying about what I said. And you are misunderstanding my point about Lee County. There is a shortage of teachers there because of FREE MARKET ECONOMICS. (Something you libertarians used to know a lot about.) These highly educated individuals are quitting the profession and moving on, creating this shortage. It is the most textbook example of the law of supply and demand. It's entirely possible that even more teachers will quit the profession there unless the money is increased. That'll just mean more sub shifts for me, so I'm not complaining. I don't have kids in the system there, so I'll just benefit from the greed of the county commissioners.



I agree with you on that parents are a problem. In Connecticut, we lived in a district with one of the top public schools in the country. It was rare in parent teacher conferences that a kid didn't have two parents there. Even if they were divorced. Parents are huge.

Today's parents are lazy shits. They aren't doing their jobs. They aren't socializing their little monsters. They aren't even buying the [Unwelcome language removed] supplies for their little brats. They leave it all up to the teacher to do their job as parent. That has always been my chief complaint of the public school system, that more and more lazy assed parents are using it as a giant warehouse, a taxpayer financed free daycare center for their brats, so they can sit home on their fat asses and watch soaps all day long.


But you're still not addressing the reality that the teachers are the ones in the classroom and it's ridiculous that you're absolving them of all responsibility.
Once again, you have lied about what I've said. The problem is teachers are getting more and more responsibilities, more job burdens, more crowded classrooms where half the kids are [Unwelcome language removed] hellhounds and NO corresponding increase in pay. There's NO other business out there who could hold on to employees with that kind of management.


We have the most expensive schools in the world, and the worst performing in the west. The LAST thing we should be talking about now is spending even MORE money on it. Pure bilch.

What you apparently don't understand is WHERE the money is coming from. MOST of the funding for schools, including the decision for teacher pay is done at the COUNTY level, and is subject largely to the value of the real estate in the area. You can't paint ALL public schools with the same brush because each individual county is almost like a separate country. It is totally ignorant to lump ALL public schoolteachers in America into the same basket when even the job requirements vary according to county. You're trying to generalize and over simplify the problem. And your FEDERAL tax dollars are contributing less than .07 percent to education funding in this country. More money comes from the state level and MOST money comes from the county.


You need a better story than it's the parents thought, the teachers have nothing to do with it, and we need to pay the teachers more. That makes no sense at all.

Again, if all you're going to do is lie about what I said, don't get upset if I call you on it. You're not going to get away with that shit, not with me. I'm not linking parental incompetence to teacher pay. That's just [Unwelcome language removed] IGNORANT. What I've said over and over again, is the fact that if ANY employee gains experience and does a better job, and if ANY employee has more and more responsibilities and work loads dumped on him/her, then he/she should get more money. I'm in the system. I see it. I NEVER said teachers were perfect.


Hell, I get more and more sub shifts because teachers are constantly pulled out of class for one bullshit meeting after another, always from some idiotic mandate from some ass sniffing Beltway hack trying to look important. It adds to the teacher's work load and takes away time from grading papers, lesson prep (which is VERY complicated). They have to make UP that work even though they were pulled out of class because of some [Unwelcome language removed] hack's ego trip.

Now if you're ready for a reality check, (and I'm still wondering if you're still floating in that Never Never Land of Libertarianism, where everyone aspires for Galt's Gulch, totally ignoring human nature entirely) here it is:

(And I'm putting this in pure FREE MARKET ECONOMICS terms, where I hope you'll have the libertarian education to grasp.)

Teachers claim they are dedicated to their jobs. Some of the more naive ones claim they don't do it for the money. Those are usually the ones who bail out first. And they have college degrees which make career change a lot easier. So they leave

Kids still show up at schools. In certain counties in Florida (Lee in particular) families are showing up in DROVES. The schools are being FLOODED with students but local property owners are bitching about the property taxes they're having to pay right now, much less any talk of increasing that tax to cover the higher costs of bringing in more students.

AND that doesn't include the children of ILLEGAL ALIENS, who put the greatest pressure on the school system by not being able to speak English. More kids. Fewer teachers.

And state law REQUIRES each classroom have a teacher or a sub. (You should have seen the Emails used to recruit me, because of my experience in Orange and Charlotte Counties. I sometimes wonder if I had held out if they would have bought me a few prostitutes as an incentive.)

Do the math. More money HAS to be allocated to public schools because the client base is increasing exponentially. More teachers are needed. Lee County is BEGGING for more teachers, and so far not that many are applying for work. Schools are legally unable to turn students away.
 

reason10

Governor
And no student dared wear a Trump hat or fail

Communism works the samecway
I went to college in 95. There were no Clinton hats or Dole or Bush hats. It was a different world back then. I can't even say the modern colleges were as bad as they are today. It was TRUMP that turned all of them in to [Unwelcome language removed].
 

reason10

Governor
You clearly feel that you are entitled, you may also feel free to find a new job if you so choose.
That should be easy if you are as skilled as you say.


I wasn't talking about myself. I'm not a real teacher. I'm a substitute teacher. Lee County calls us "guest teachers." I have an increasingly good job BECAUSE the system treats teachers like shit.

I've told PRINCIPALS this: The reason I didn't test out on the subjects, take the extra courses and certify to be a real teacher is because the system treats teachers like shit and treats subs like rock stars. There are ALWAYS schools I can pick and choose, thanks to the idiot system creating a teacher shortage. I can decide not to work one day if I wanted, and nobody could even complain, much less lift a finger to make me come in. (Then again, I am a workaholic, so I'm usually in every day) I show up on campus and everyone treats me like a hero. And I don't have to do any real work. Just follow the lesson plan that ALL teachers have to submit before they hire a sub. Keep the class from killing each other and disturbing other classes.

Piece of cake. Thanks to the fact that teachers ARE treated like shit, I have a gravy gig.
 

reason10

Governor
Why, you said all is fine
It was fine at MY college, when I attended it. Mine was a small private college. There's no way I would set foot on any of those taxpayer financed WELFARE TO THE RICH diploma mills for any reason in the world. ]
Berkley sucked in the Sixties, when the first ignorant hippies (largely from the Port Huron Statement) began [Unwelcome language removed] things up.
 

EatTheRich

President
This guy is obviously a socialist and wants to be annointed
No, it’s just that working people tend to hold left-wing opinions when it comes to what they know best, even when they have right-wing opinions in the abstract which they apply to situations they don’t understand.
 

Winston

Do you feel lucky, Punk
I went to college in 95. There were no Clinton hats or Dole or Bush hats. It was a different world back then. I can't even say the modern colleges were as bad as they are today. It was TRUMP that turned all of them in to [Unwelcome language removed].
Same world in 95, same professors pushing abortion and that life is mud
 

Winston

Do you feel lucky, Punk
No, it’s just that working people tend to hold left-wing opinions when it comes to what they know best, even when they have right-wing opinions in the abstract which they apply to situations they don’t understand.
The word salad is a many splendord thing
 
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