Bugsy McGurk
President
I’m not asking what someone else said. I’m asking you to think on your own and tell me what you think.
See my question above. Is that your theory?
A day that will live in "infamy…"
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See my question above. Is that your theory?
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Bugsy McGurk
President
Yet another pointless post.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Thanks for the warning, but not necessary - I already know that all of your posts are "pointless."
that link does not support the notion that 911 was a false flag nor that Bush knew it was about to happen, could have prevented it and didn't.
Fixed it for you. You're welcome
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Take a bow - you win most inane post of the day.
Well, that would be different. You have had a lock on that award for years now.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
And yet you (literally) never managed to notice it...until now.
Once again, stringing together a bunch of statements from people and ignoring the details, aren't you?
Admiral Richardson:
He did believe that advanced bases like Guam and Hawaii were necessary but that insufficient funding and efforts had been made to prepare them for use in wartime.
His argument was that San Diego already had the infrastructure and the budget wasn't there to do all the work needed to build the base at Pearl.
Whether or not there was debate within the military about moving the home port for the Pacific fleet to Pearl is not evidence that FDR knew of the attack. While the US had broken the Japanese diplomatic code, they had not broken the military code. JN-25 was broken in May or June of 1942.
The Japanese sank a US ship in China in 1937. If all that FDR was looking for was an excuse, why not that?
You call FDR a war monger, ignoring that the world was at war. The AXIS forces were winning. The potential of a world controlled by the likes of Hitler and Tojo was hardly an acceptable one.
Bush had a grudge against Saddam. Rove had a political motivation and was telling Bush that the country would support him if the timing of an invasion worked to influence the election. Rumsfeld and his bunch were saying this would be good for Israel if Saddam was gone and Cheney thought the world oil market would be affected in a way favorable to US oil companies.
Sure thing...it is a complete surprise that you post from a far right position, quoting an anonymous source as often as possible and are incapable of dealing with straight up facts....like the fact that the US didn't break the Japanese naval code until May of 1942, while you continue to insist we knew they were going to attack Pearl because we broke their code.
Raoul_Luke
I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
That's not what Admiral Stimson (The Secretary of War at the time) says. Far right? That is absurd! It is a left wing (anti-war) perspective. You simply can't discern the actual ideology of another because yours flips and flops back and forth, depending on the letter behind the name of the person involved.
Your position is entirely anti-FDR. Why lie?
Here is what Stinson was quoted as having written.
He brought up the event that we were likely to be attacked perhaps (as soon as) next Monday [December 1], for the Japanese are notorious for making an attack without warning, and the question was what we should do. The question was how we should maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.
This does not support your claim that we'd broken the JN-25 military code. Military analysts suggested an attack in the Philippines or one of the US bases in the mid pacific...Wake, Midway or Guam. Sadly the warning from the radar operators on the North Shore was ignored. The telegram warning of a potential attack was not delivered in a timely manner...instead delayed for hours and not delivered until too late. The telegram was sent after the diplomatic cable to the Japanese embassy was intercepted and decoded, early Dec. 7th.
Conspiracy theorists have long claimed that Roosevelt deliberately ignored intelligence of an imminent attack in Hawaii, suggesting that he allowed it to happen so that he would then have a legitimate reason for declaring war on Japan. Up to that point, public and political opinion had been against America's entry into what was seen largely as a European war, despite Roosevelt's private support for the Allies' fight against the so-called Axis - Germany, Italy and Japan.
But Mr Shirley said: "Based on all my research, I believe that neither Roosevelt nor anybody in his government, the Navy or the War Department knew that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbour. There was no conspiracy.
"This memo is further evidence that they believed the Japanese were contemplating a military action of some sort, but they were kind of in denial because they didn't think anybody would be as audacious to move an army thousands of miles across the Pacific, stop to refuel, then move on to Hawaii to make a strike like this."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8932197/Pearl-Harbour-memo-shows-US-warned-of-Japanese-attack.html
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Hmmm, was my post more "inane" than this from you?
