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Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez mighty impressive on 60 Minutes

Bugsy McGurk

President
Right claiming to be able to use money that does not exist to pay for something is "in-artful" language. It kills me that you guys are just afraid to admit the truth..... she is stupid and has no idea what the [Unwelcome language removed] she is talking about.

Only 15? He is still lagging way behind you.
Yes, inartful. She corrects herself when she says something wrong. Trump just keeps right on telling the same lies as you Trump cultists applaud.

And here you are minimizing Trump’s 15 lie-per-day average by lying about me.

Deplorable, as always.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
She’s smart enough to know that one doesn’t ignore the current costs when doing the comparative math, including insurance premiums and current health care-related taxation.

But you aren’t.
She has made vague statements, but doesn't show her work. She also doesn't explain how this will impact the current health insurance system. You cannot expect to confiscate the business assets of all the insurance companies in the US and not have an impact...legally and economically.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Right claiming to be able to use money that does not exist to pay for something is "in-artful" language. It kills me that you guys are just afraid to admit the truth..... she is stupid and has no idea what the [Unwelcome language removed] she is talking about.

Only 15? He is still lagging way behind you.
As bad as she is at details, she certainly is not talking about printing money for a single payer system. Why engage in such goofy rhetoric? She is talking about folding current premiums into a new system. Of course, she doesn't know how much money that might be, nor does she explain how that could seamlessly take over the current system.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
She has made vague statements, but doesn't show her work. She also doesn't explain how this will impact the current health insurance system. You cannot expect to confiscate the business assets of all the insurance companies in the US and not have an impact...legally and economically.
I have not heard her even suggest that we should confiscate the business assets of all the insurance companies.

But the bottom line is that people like AOC want a desperately needed national discussion about health care coverage. I don’t pretend she has all the answers - she’s 29 years old and in Congress for only a few days. But wingers don’t want such a discussion. The GOP cult wants to preserve the status quo for political purposes so they “dopey down” the discussion. Ask them the pertinent questions and they just dodge and dissemble. Hopefully people like AOC can force a national discussion shorn of the GOP dopiness.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I have not heard her even suggest that we should confiscate the business assets of all the insurance companies.

But the bottom line is that people like AOC want a desperately needed national discussion about health care coverage. I don’t pretend she has all the answers - she’s 29 years old and in Congress for only a few days. But wingers don’t want such a discussion. The GOP cult wants to preserve the status quo for political purposes so they “dopey down” the discussion. Ask them the pertinent questions and they just dodge and dissemble. Hopefully people like AOC can force a national discussion shorn of the GOP dopiness.
I've worked on computer systems for a company that was part of a consortium that provided a path from providers to payers for submitted claims. That becomes a useless investment, depending on how single payer is implemented. Computer networks, hardware at the doctors offices and hospitals....there is a lot more to this than just saying..."Hey everybody, just send your bill and your premium to the federal gov."
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
I've worked on computer systems for a company that was part of a consortium that provided a path from providers to payers for submitted claims. That becomes a useless investment, depending on how single payer is implemented. Computer networks, hardware at the doctors offices and hospitals....there is a lot more to this than just saying..."Hey everybody, just send your bill and your premium to the federal gov."
Of course. There’s no inherent reason why private insurers could not be part of a universal coverage system, or their assets purchased if useful. As far as I’m concerned everything should be on the table. It’s not like we have to reinvent the wheel - Western European nations have a variety of universal coverage systems. We have a wildly costly, inefficient, uncertain system. We need a national discussion to fix it.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Of course. There’s no inherent reason why private insurers could not be part of a universal coverage system, or their assets purchased if useful. As far as I’m concerned everything should be on the table. It’s not like we have to reinvent the wheel - Western European nations have a variety of universal coverage systems. We have a wildly costly, inefficient, uncertain system. We need a national discussion to fix it.
That really isn't the point. It is that the new congresswoman has vaguely referred to a solution that isn't anywhere near a real suggestion.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
That really isn't the point. It is that the new congresswoman has vaguely referred to a solution that isn't anywhere near a real suggestion.
It’s my point. I disagree that AOC’s call for universal health coverage isn’t real. It’s very real, whether one agrees with it or not. But to me this all begs the larger question - should we have universal coverage, or not. If we should, should we have a Medicare-for-all type system, or something else. Making this all about AOC is a distraction as far as I’m concerned.
 

Drumcollie

* See DC's list of Kook posters*
The interview was the first time the American public heard from her at any length. Thus far, most of her coverage has consisted of right wingers trying to depict her as an intellectual lightweight/wannabe.

As always though, the right wingers have been lying and misleading. AOC is impressive in so many ways. Watch the interview to decide for yourself...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-the-rookie-congresswoman-challenging-the-democratic-establishment-60-minutes-interview-full-transcript-2019-01-06/
You mean you watch sixty minutes like it is real?

CBS' '60 Minutes' admits to faking Tesla car noise
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/06/tesla-motor...
Apr 06, 2014 · CBS' '60 Minutes' admits to faking Tesla car noise. An editor added sounds to one of the quietest cars ever produced. ... Remember, for all the awards and attention that 60 Minutes has won, …

60 Minutes Fakes Another Car Report - Lesely Stahl Has ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dexo2EewDok
Feb 10, 2015 · 60 Minutes Fakes Another Car Report - Lesely Stahl Has some explaining To Do ... Mark thinks parts of the report last Sunday are fake. Mark thinks Lesley would have had to commit a …

CBS's 60 Minutes Piece on 'Fake News' Ends Up Being 'Fake ...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/draft-cbss-60-minutes...
Guest post by Joe Hoft Last night CBS’s ’60 Minutes’ presented a segment on ‘#Fake News’. ... CBS’s 60 Minutes Piece on ‘Fake News’ Ends Up Being ‘Fake News’ ... BIZARRE HILLARY BEHAVIOR CAUGHT ON CAMERA Hillary looks like her inner demons are trying to escape https: …

‘60 Minutes’ Founder Hewitt Caught in CBS Harass Net ...
https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/60-minutes-founder-hewitt...
The late Don Hewitt, the TV legend who created 60 Minutes, reportedly has been implicated in the sexual harassment scandal being investigated by lawyers hired by the board CBS.

WATCH: 60 Minutes Reporters Jailed for Kidnapping Caught ...
https://newsmaven.io/pinacnews/courtroom-files/watch-60-minutes...
WATCH: 60 Minutes Reporters Jailed for Violent Kidnapping Caught on Camera, Ditched Ethics to Pursue Story Illegally.

 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Hey Bug, still waiting for you to tell us where she gets her $32 TRILLION.

Why are you running away?
Yikes. You’re still pretending she said that? Truly deplorable.

As I said, you’re just too dishonest for rational discussion. If you can mend your ways and agree to an honest discussion of health coverage options, let me know.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
You mean you watch sixty minutes like it is real?

CBS' '60 Minutes' admits to faking Tesla car noise
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/04/06/tesla-motor...
Apr 06, 2014 · CBS' '60 Minutes' admits to faking Tesla car noise. An editor added sounds to one of the quietest cars ever produced. ... Remember, for all the awards and attention that 60 Minutes has won, …

60 Minutes Fakes Another Car Report - Lesely Stahl Has ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dexo2EewDok
Feb 10, 2015 · 60 Minutes Fakes Another Car Report - Lesely Stahl Has some explaining To Do ... Mark thinks parts of the report last Sunday are fake. Mark thinks Lesley would have had to commit a …

CBS's 60 Minutes Piece on 'Fake News' Ends Up Being 'Fake ...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/draft-cbss-60-minutes...
Guest post by Joe Hoft Last night CBS’s ’60 Minutes’ presented a segment on ‘#Fake News’. ... CBS’s 60 Minutes Piece on ‘Fake News’ Ends Up Being ‘Fake News’ ... BIZARRE HILLARY BEHAVIOR CAUGHT ON CAMERA Hillary looks like her inner demons are trying to escape https: …

‘60 Minutes’ Founder Hewitt Caught in CBS Harass Net ...
https://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/60-minutes-founder-hewitt...
The late Don Hewitt, the TV legend who created 60 Minutes, reportedly has been implicated in the sexual harassment scandal being investigated by lawyers hired by the board CBS.

WATCH: 60 Minutes Reporters Jailed for Kidnapping Caught ...
https://newsmaven.io/pinacnews/courtroom-files/watch-60-minutes...
WATCH: 60 Minutes Reporters Jailed for Violent Kidnapping Caught on Camera, Ditched Ethics to Pursue Story Illegally.
You’re delusional enough to think the AOC interview wasn’t “real”?

FYI, your mind is fried.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
It’s my point. I disagree that AOC’s call for universal health coverage isn’t real. It’s very real, whether one agrees with it or not. But to me this all begs the larger question - should we have universal coverage, or not. If we should, should we have a Medicare-for-all type system, or something else. Making this all about AOC is a distraction as far as I’m concerned.
My point is not about the concept of single payer. It is about her. While it is true that she has just been sworn in, my point is that she has been at this for over a year and doesn't have anything more solid than talking points.
 

Nostra

Governor
Yikes. You’re still pretending she said that? Truly deplorable.

As I said, you’re just too dishonest for rational discussion. If you can mend your ways and agree to an honest discussion of health coverage options, let me know.
I never claimed she said it. Learn to read.

That Dingleberry doesn't care what her idiotic schemes cost.

I gave you what the experts said it wouhld cost.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I never claimed she said it. Learn to read.

That Dingleberry doesn't care what her idiotic schemes cost.

I gave you what the experts said it wouhld cost.
Where did you provide any information on what "the experts" think it would cost?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Link has been provided.
It was a pretty much useless link. Her numbers don't make a lot of sense, because she is quoting an article that also doesn't make a lot of sense, as well as the fact that the numbers are over how many years? So even if there is $21 trillion in pentagon money somewhere...is that since 1960? Is it in a bank account somewhere? Or is it simply unaccounted for spending? If you think single payer will cost $32 T....over how many years?

In any case, as I pointed out before...she doesn't show the math behind what she is talking about.
 
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