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americans think like taxes are somehow the government robbing their money

Discussion in 'Economics, Business, and Taxes' started by Mike Bredsbey, Jul 28, 2015.

  1. Mike Bredsbey

    Mike Bredsbey Council Member

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    Do you realize why so many Americans are extremely sensitive when it comes to taxes, and often object strongly to a progressive tax system. Personally, I think of taxes as giving back to the society and community, and I enjoy many of the governments services every day. Also. Progressive taxation does not look like bad idea to me. Why do Americans hate taxation if they perfectly know the profit of it.
     
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  2. PhilFish

    PhilFish Administrator Staff Member

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    because they expect someone else to pay

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  3. Jets

    Jets Conservative Pragmatist

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    Right or wrong many people question how the government spends its money. Some people want a free lunch and will always complain. Others complain about how much we borrow to compensate for revenues. This issue is multifaceted.

    Jmo
     
  4. Adam Somlec

    Adam Somlec Council Member

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    Because we don 't see much return on the tax money we pay. Sometimes we don't even support the goals where our money will go for. It's a tough question for many Americans indeed. We are not too greedy we just want not to be fooled.
     
  5. worldlymrb

    worldlymrb America: Love it or Leave it!

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    50% of current govt services is financed by debt. Wait until the debt bubble blows up and all payroll, income taxes, including Medicare/ObamaCare/SSN and capital gains taxes, fees, fines DOUBLE just to pay for current govt services we have today.

    Then come back and tell us how wonderful an investment govt is.
     
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  6. georgephillip

    georgephillip Governor

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    "In 1848 a committee report to the State Senate of Ohio emphasized that taxation paid for 'social order' [JSOH]:

    "Rightful taxation is the price of social order. In other words, it is that portion of the citizen’s property which he yields up to the government in order to provide for the protection of all the rest. It is not to be wantonly levied on the citizen, nor levied at all except in return for benefits conferred."
    http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/04/13/taxes-civilize/

    Rightful taxation in the US became a real long shot over the last three decades of "trickle down" economics which has, instead, produced vast transfers of wealth from middle class workers to the offshore accounts of a tiny number of super rich parasites.

    When roughly half of the planets offshore wealth (~$1o trillion) belongs to 92,000 parasites (0.001% of humanity), social order is on its way to extinction.
    http://www.alternet.org/economy/global-power-elite-exposed
     
  7. The Sage of Main Street

    The Sage of Main Street Governor

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    Fat Cats Love Mice

    Profit is a tax. They sense that their bosses are taking too much of the revenue that they themselves produced. But they are too cowardly to fight back, which would go against lifetime brainwashing that the rich created their jobs. They were suckered into sacrificing in a humiliating educational system just so they'd wind up making the rich richer. So they transfer all this resentment and denial to the government and it makes them feel they have some pride.
     
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  8. georgephillip

    georgephillip Governor

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    From April of 2002: "The Myth of Ownership."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/21/books/you-can-t-take-it-with-you.html

    "When President Bush, promoting tax cuts, says people's incomes belong to them and not the government, the authors of this book say he is using fuzzy logic.

    "Liam Murphy and Thomas Nagel, professors of law and philosophy at New York University, argue in the ''The Myth of Ownership'' that Mr. Bush's rhetoric is emblematic of a tax debate that focuses on the wrong issues because it lacks a moral foundation."
    Murphy and Nagel argue pre-tax incomes are morally insignificant since "...'''individual citizens don't own anything except through laws that are enacted and enforced by the state,'' because without government there would be anarchy, an endless war of all-against-one that would diminish incomes and wealth, not to mention life itself.

    "Thus it is after-tax incomes that people are entitled to own."
     
  9. EatTheRich

    EatTheRich President

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    Of course taxes are robbery. The purpose of the state is to organize class warfare on behalf of the ruling class. That warfare, like all warfare, will include violence and robbery.
     
  10. EatTheRich

    EatTheRich President

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    I would add that only through the existence of property can the concepts of robbery and taxation even be coherent.
     
  11. georgephillip

    georgephillip Governor

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    "A Government is an organization in a specific geographic location which is dominant in physical force. Government is necessary to ensure the proper use of force.

    "For this reason, it must specify objective laws to clarify the use of force, and it must have the ability to enforce these laws.

    "The purpose of government is to protect the individual rights of its citizens.

    "Since rights can be assaulted both within a country or outside of it, the government must deal with either threat. This requires an army for defense of the country, and a police system to protect the individual citizens from other individuals within the country.

    "To ensure that rights are upheld properly, the judgment of the use of force must be objective. Since individuals involved in an incident are not likely to be objective, it is the government's job to judge the individual use of force by its citizens. For this reason, the government must provide a court system.

    "Laws are the tools by which the court decides if a use of force is valid or not."
    http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Politics_NecessityOfGovernment.html
    For the last few thousand years those who write the laws have been controlled by the rich; states that don't authorize the privatization of profit and socialism of losses are possible.
     
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  12. Dawg

    Dawg President Supporting Member

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    you can always send extra, why don't you?

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/02/obama-20-trillion/

    Go ahead, send extra.
     

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