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And so it came to pass that American dignity died

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by PhilFish, Apr 13, 2018.

  1. PhilFish

    PhilFish Moderator Staff Member

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    Baloney, disdain and derision wrapped up in ''dignified'' is still disdain and derision...

    Clinton is as much a narcissist and pathological liar as trump, albeit more polished..
     
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  2. Arkady

    Arkady The Departed

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    I'm not arguing that there's an absence of disdain and derision for the Party of Trump. About 60% of Americans feel that way. But it's possible to deride and disdain evil in a dignified way. The complete collapse of dignity is not, to this point, something that has spread beyond the GOP.

    I don't think you believe that. I think if you were honest with yourself, you'd have to admit there are a huge number of absurd lies and cartoonishly narcissistic statements that have come out of Trump's mouth that would in no event ever be said by someone like Clinton. That's not to say that Clinton doesn't harbor narcissistic thoughts deep down. I think ANYONE who aspires to lead a nation has more than a healthy helping of narcissism. But hers isn't so out-of-control that she can't keep it in check when speaking. With Trump, the bragging and self love bubble up any time he isn't reading from a controlled script. And I'm not arguing Clinton never lied. Just about every human being lies, and successful politicians do so more than most. But if you check the independent fact-checkers, you'll see that Clinton lied less than most, and far less than Trump. Most of Clinton's lying is of the ordinary political variety -- spinning facts hard enough that the spin occasionally gets bad enough that it constitutes a lie, or lying about biographical puffery that doesn't matter, or at least lying about something she has good reason to think nobody will realize is a lie. Part of what makes Trump so undignified is the squalor of his lies. He tells lies that he should have realized would immediately be fact-checked and definitively shot down, often about things that matter greatly. Clinton is an ordinary political liar. Trump is an extraordinary one.
     
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  3. Zam-Zam

    Zam-Zam Governor

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    Nothing new under the sun.

    Bill Clinton, & all the girls, redux.......
     
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  4. justoffal

    justoffal Governor

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    Douglass was famously quite conservative. Cornel West is a cardoard cut out by comparison. A reactionary affirmative action clone. A verbose empty shell with no credible skill set.

    Herman Cain was much closer to the real thing.

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  5. EatTheRich

    EatTheRich Senator

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    An evident lie. Douglass on immigration for example:

    We should welcome to our ample continent all the nations, kindreds, tongues and peoples, and as fast as they learn our language and comprehend the duties of citizenship, we should incorporate them into the American body politic.
     
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  6. resident_evil

    resident_evil Senator

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    1. No duh! It also means the president can defend himself.
    2. You cannot be a Democrat and call yourself a Christian given their stance on abortion period. "Homophobia" (your word) is an integral element to Christianity seen in both the old AND new testament.
     
  7. justoffal

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    Lol..... He also supported the traditional system which most Republicans do today. Douglas would have been considered an enemy of the state by modern-day Democrats.

    It's amazing you can quote something and not comprehend what you are quoting.

    He would have been excoriated for that last sentence....learn our language....duties of citizenship.

    I like I said a very conservative position.

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    Prove they were competent
     
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    Dawg President Supporting Member

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    If he were into fisting you'd voted for him
     
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    Dawg President Supporting Member

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    O had already did that before Trump
     
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    Dawg President Supporting Member

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    dignified crook
    Berniebro
     
  12. SouthernBoyI

    SouthernBoyI SouthernBoy

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    Yes... yes we did.

    And now we have our man...
    que the music.......”we’ll put a boot in yer ass it’s the American way....

    SB
     
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  13. PhilFish

    PhilFish Moderator Staff Member

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    Clinton was so high on herself that she assumed the presidency was a foregone conclusion...so much so she's still recovering to this day..
    She makes trump look like a second rate player in the narcissist category
     
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  14. EatTheRich

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    Perhaps she simply underestimated the bad judgment of millions of American voters.
     
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    Arkady The Departed

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    She assumed nothing of the sort, as you know. She understood it was always in jeopardy, which is why she campaigned so hard that she literally worked her way past the point of collapse. Surely you remember that — it was punctuated by the evil half of the American population cackling with glee.
     
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  16. PhilFish

    PhilFish Moderator Staff Member

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    See that, you make the point precisely with your evil half of America. So you understood Clinton's position all along, thanks for that.

    Still stings huh?
     
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  17. Arkady

    Arkady The Departed

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    I did, indeed. Her position was that there was a set of policies that would be better for the vast majority of Americans, and a set that would be worse, and she was going to run hard to get into a position to enact the former. She took nothing for granted, and worked her ass off. But, in the end, the evil portion of America would gladly cut their own balls off just to have something to throw at the liberals, and they did just that. Part of me just wants to sit back and laugh at their self-inflicted wound, since I'm fortunate enough to be in a position where I'm in the top 2% or so of Americans who are actually better off with the Republican leadership they put in power. I can enjoy the upper-class tax cuts and chuckle at the numb-skulls who screwed themselves over. But then I remember all the millions who are not so sheltered from the impact of such stupidity as I am -- millions who had no role in the election of Trump but with still suffer as a result of it.
     
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  18. PhilFish

    PhilFish Moderator Staff Member

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    I guess that's what makes us different, and illustrates why we are where we are today.. I wouldn't call them evil, misguided maybe, but not evil. But again, you illustrate the why of where we are today. Behind the guise of intellect and superiority is simply abject hate and disdain...as has been said all along.

    Those "evil" them didn't do it to us..you did.and those like you.. trump is a reaction to you and people like you.

    Oh, and who cares..you're not alone in that top two percentn. Big deal...
     
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  19. Arkady

    Arkady The Departed

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    Yes. Whereas I think it's important to identify evil honestly if we're to combat it.

    Keep in mind, I'm not saying anyone who believes different things than me is evil. Even many who believe deeply stupid things are not evil. For example, you could simply be misguided and imagine that Trump-style tax cuts will pay for themselves, despite decades of contrary evidence. But Trump didn't get elected by appealing to dumb people's misunderstanding of tax policy, any more than Hitler got elected by promising the Autobahns. They got elected by appealing to evil people's desire to hurt their fellow man. Trump preyed on that evil impulse. Recognizing what happened is a necessary first step to fighting back.

    You do, since it clearly bugged you enough to comment on it. No worries. Such envy is natural.
     
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    PhilFish Moderator Staff Member

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    Oh dear, there you go again... envy. No, I meant you and I both. I just don't need to bandy it about...
     

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