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Another Crushing Blow To Democrats: People Believe Trump Was Spied On

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Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Bullshit. Where do you get all this bullshit? How can even the dumbest freaking trump voter actually believe any federal district judge, most of them appointed by republicans, would sign off on a FISA warrant if they did not believe it was proper? Especially, in Carter Page's case, 5 DIFFERENT TIMES BY 5 DIFFERENT JUDGES!! so you somehow believe 5 different federal district judges, listened to and read the FBI evidence and data, from different sources, and they all decided to screw Carter Page, who was not even connected to the Trump Campaign, just for political reasons? Are you really this [Unwelcome language removed] crazy?

WHY WOULD THEY?
LOL! So the same "authorities" that you guys claim are monolithically "racist" can't possibly contain a small number of people who did wrong in this instance? THAT is "bullshit." We already have ample evidence that a number of high level FBI officials were operating "improperly" in this matter. If Carter Page was doing something wrong, why was he not indicted?
 

llovejim

Current Champion
LOL! So the same "authorities" that you guys claim are monolithically "racist" can't possibly contain a small number of people who did wrong in this instance? THAT is "bullshit." We already have ample evidence that a number of high level FBI officials were operating "improperly" in this matter. If Carter Page was doing something wrong, why was he not indicted?
what are you talking about? who says judges are monumentally racist?.....what kind of lame ass deflection is that? and no, we do not know any high level FBI officials were acting improperly when it comes to this warrant, particularly, or connected to Trump, in general...NAME SOME OF THESE KNOWN IMPROPER ACTIONS....what kind of lame ass deflection is that? and do you not know that FISA warrants are not like regular warrants that must be authorized to provide evidence of a crime or to stop a crime, they are authorized FOR SURVEILLANCE, not after a crime has been committed, per se, or even to stop a known crime....that is why they are kept secret!! get it? it is about security, not about ordinary crime like murder and robbery...it was only enacted in 1978 in response to the beginning of world wide terrorist attacks.

About the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court
About the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court was established in 1978 when Congress enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which is codified, as amended, at 50 U.S.C. §§ 1801-1885c. The Court sits in Washington D.C., and is composed of eleven federal district court judges who are designated by the Chief Justice of the United States. Each judge serves for a maximum of seven years and their terms are staggered to ensure continuity on the Court. By statute, the judges must be drawn from at least seven of the United States judicial circuits, and three of the judges must reside within 20 miles of the District of Columbia. Judges typically sit for one week at a time, on a rotating basis.

Pursuant to FISA, the Court entertains applications submitted by the United States Government for approval of electronic surveillance, physical search, and other investigative actions for foreign intelligence purposes. Most of the Court’s work is conducted ex parte as required by statute, and due to the need to protect classified national security information.
 

JackDallas

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Carter Page was an FBI UCE-1 (Undercover Employee) who wore a wire to a meeting with some Russian officials some of who were convicted.

Carter Page's office was attached to Trump Towers through a short atrium where he went most everyday for coffee, lunch, etc.

Put 2 and 2 together, and see if that doesn't explain why the FBI wanted to electronically surveil Carter Page and light up Trump Towers. And obtained a FISA warrant signed off on by Judge Rudolph Conteras.

"Rudy" that is to Agent Peter Strzok.................



Criminals all. Some will be going down, maybe even a judge.
I've said all along that the FISA court judge(s) had to be in the loop and complicit in the Democrat dirty deeds. My reason for thinking this is that, through this entire witch hunt, not once did any of the judges speak out about their being used by the Dems to break the law. I would think a judge who had been lied to and played like that would have been mega-pissed off about it and would have come out publicly to clear his name.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
what are you talking about? who says judges are monumentally racist?.....what kind of lame ass deflection is that? and no, we do not know any high level FBI officials were acting improperly when it comes to this warrant, particularly, or connected to Trump, in general...NAME SOME OF THESE KNOWN IMPROPER ACTIONS....what kind of lame ass deflection is that? and do you not know that FISA warrants are not like regular warrants that must be authorized to provide evidence of a crime or to stop a crime, they are authorized FOR SURVEILLANCE, not after a crime has been committed, per se, or even to stop a known crime....that is why they are kept secret!! get it? it is about security, not about ordinary crime like murder and robbery...it was only enacted in 1978 in response to the beginning of world wide terrorist attacks.

About the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court
About the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court was established in 1978 when Congress enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which is codified, as amended, at 50 U.S.C. §§ 1801-1885c. The Court sits in Washington D.C., and is composed of eleven federal district court judges who are designated by the Chief Justice of the United States. Each judge serves for a maximum of seven years and their terms are staggered to ensure continuity on the Court. By statute, the judges must be drawn from at least seven of the United States judicial circuits, and three of the judges must reside within 20 miles of the District of Columbia. Judges typically sit for one week at a time, on a rotating basis.

Pursuant to FISA, the Court entertains applications submitted by the United States Government for approval of electronic surveillance, physical search, and other investigative actions for foreign intelligence purposes. Most of the Court’s work is conducted ex parte as required by statute, and due to the need to protect classified national security information.
Monolithically, not "monumentally." I recommend you buy yourself a dictionary if you are going to respond to my posts.

There's a number of high level FBI officials who were fired, demoted or forced to resign in shame over their activities in this "investigation." The notion that it was all on the up and up is, well, "monumentally" ignorant.

You DO know what "ex parte" means, right?
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Monolithically, not "monumentally." I recommend you buy yourself a dictionary if you are going to respond to my posts.

There's a number of high level FBI officials who were fired, demoted or forced to resign in shame over their activities in this "investigation." The notion that it was all on the up and up is, well, "monumentally" ignorant.

You DO know what "ex parte" means, right?
yep, i misread monumentally for monothically. in this case, no difference. who has said either? a distinction without a difference...still, a very weak ass attempt to deflect.

name all these folks. and then say how those 3 or 4 out of hundreds working on the case, the fact they were not that close to the top of the food chain, and the fact they had nothing to do with federal judges looking at all the evidence and data AND MAKING THEIR OWN DECISION 5 DIFFERENT TIMES THAT WERE ALL THE SAME, proves you are just creating strawmen to try and cover up the fact the FISA warrants on Page, all 5 of them, were clearly authorized and necessary in the eyes of the FBI AND 5 DIFFERENT FEDERAL JUDGES..who gives a shit if you and trump and hannity disagree?
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
yep, i misread monumentally for monothically. in this case, no difference. who has said either? a distinction without a difference...still, a very weak ass attempt to deflect.

name all these folks. and then say how those 3 or 4 out of hundreds working on the case, the fact they were not that close to the top of the food chain, and the fact they had nothing to do with federal judges looking at all the evidence and data AND MAKING THEIR OWN DECISION 5 DIFFERENT TIMES THAT WERE ALL THE SAME, proves you are just creating strawmen to try and cover up the fact the FISA warrants on Page, all 5 of them, were clearly authorized and necessary in the eyes of the FBI AND 5 DIFFERENT FEDERAL JUDGES..who gives a shit if you and trump and hannity disagree?
Ben and Jerry for, well, "one:"

https://www.benjerry.com/home/whats-new/2016/systemic-racism-is-real

Wikipedia says it's a "thing:"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

You can wave your arms and shout about it all you want, but the fact is there was nothing underlying the Page FISA warrants, as the lack of an indictment demonstrates.

As for your suggestion that the judges would never "rubber stamp" a bad application:

FISA warrant success rate

You lose...
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Ben and Jerry for, well, "one:"

https://www.benjerry.com/home/whats-new/2016/systemic-racism-is-real

Wikipedia says it's a "thing:"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

You can wave your arms and shout about it all you want, but the fact is there was nothing underlying the Page FISA warrants, as the lack of an indictment demonstrates.

As for your suggestion that the judges would never "rubber stamp" a bad application:

FISA warrant success rate

You lose...
institutional racism does exist...but what does that have to do with 5 federal district judges all signing off on FISA warrants for Page? non-sequitur. is Carter Page black all of a sudden? somehow I missed that part.

first off, why do you believe a high FISA warrant success rate TRANSLATES into the court being a rubber stamp? could it not be since the FISA process is secret, and since it is interested in provide national security and it is better to be safe than sorry because there is no presumption of guilt or even a crime to get these warrants? Plus, no one is being detained or presumed guilty of a crime in the issuance of these warrants. Plus, the judges have more concern for our security than it would be if it was a regular warrant to invade someone's privacy for the commission of a crime. Plus, the FBI is involved, not some local police chief, which results in a higher approval rate?

We have heard of many examples over the years of the FBI stopping a terrorist attack BEFORE IT HAPPENED...would you want FISA warrants to be less likely to be approved if it meant even one extra terrorist attack not being stopped?

Do the Police Have the Right to Tap My Telephone? - FindLaw

https://criminal.findlaw.com/.../do-the-police-have-the-right-to-tap-my-telephone.html

Since these only record phone numbers and not the actual conversations, they are considered less of a privacy intrusion and the police do not need to get a wiretap order first. When police seek a warrant for cellphone data, such as location information to track a person's whereabouts, separate issues are raised.
 
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Nutty Cortez

Dummy (D) NY
Ben and Jerry for, well, "one:"

https://www.benjerry.com/home/whats-new/2016/systemic-racism-is-real

Wikipedia says it's a "thing:"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

You can wave your arms and shout about it all you want, but the fact is there was nothing underlying the Page FISA warrants, as the lack of an indictment demonstrates.

As for your suggestion that the judges would never "rubber stamp" a bad application:

FISA warrant success rate

You lose...

Some of my tard base (like *Edited*) Think FISA judges can't be biased LOL

Ask Ruth Bader Ginsberg if she's biased lol
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
institutional racism does exist...but what does that have to do with 5 federal district judges all signing off on FISA warrants for Page? non-sequitur. is Carter Page black all of a sudden? somehow I missed that part.

first off, why do you believe a high FISA warrant success rate TRANSLATES into the court being a rubber stamp? could it not be since the FISA process is secret, and since it is interested in provide national security and it is better to be safe than sorry because there is no presumption of guilt or even a crime to get these warrants and no one is being detained or presumed guilty of a crime in the issuance of these warrants, that the judges have more concern for our security than it would be if it was a regular warrant to invade someone's privacy for the commission of a crime, and the FBI is involved, not some local police chief, which results in a higher approval rate?

Do the Police Have the Right to Tap My Telephone? - FindLaw

https://criminal.findlaw.com/.../do-the-police-have-the-right-to-tap-my-telephone.html

Since these only record phone numbers and not the actual conversations, they are considered less of a privacy intrusion and the police do not need to get a wiretap order first. When police seek a warrant for cellphone data, such as location information to track a person's whereabouts, separate issues are raised.
Conservative is the new black. If judges are prone to act on their "racial biases," why is it so preposterous to suggest that they might also act on their political biases? Judges, regardless of party, are largely card carrying (that's a joke so don't ask for proof) members of the "deep state." So if the top brass of the FBI say they need a warrant to spy on an American, they will assume there is a good basis underlying that request. And, as we see in this instance, there was no such thing.
 

llovejim

Current Champion
Conservative is the new black. If judges are prone to act on their "racial biases," why is it so preposterous to suggest that they might also act on their political biases? Judges, regardless of party, are largely card carrying (that's a joke so don't ask for proof) members of the "deep state." So if the top brass of the FBI say they need a warrant to spy on an American, they will assume there is a good basis underlying that request. And, as we see in this instance, there was no such thing.
why believe in democracy? why have faith in our judicial system, in our election process, in MOST of our political leaders, and MOST of our judges and cops, being fair and reasonable? you are doing what you used to gripe about BLM doing- taking one or four examples of the police shooting down an unarmed, non-threatening black male to jump to the conclusion that all cops are racist murderers (something no person connected to BLM has ever said, by the way). You want to believe the FBI somehow had some biased reason to go after Trump or Page or Manafort or Flynn or Cohen, and in Carter Page's case, even 5 different federal district judges....
that is paranoia. that is wrong. it is a sad statement on where this country is after just 2 years of trump spewing this crazy, divisive bullshit aimed at our democratic, journalistic, constitutional and judicial ideals and institutions.

If you can believe any bias by anyone connected to the obviously apparent justified FISA warrants on Page, with all the people involved at each level for all 5 warrants, after reading all the facts I have provided, then you are just too stupid to argue.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
why believe in democracy? why have faith in our judicial system, in our election process, in MOST of our political leaders, and MOST of our judges and cops, being fair and reasonable? you are doing what you used to gripe about BLM doing- taking one or four examples of the police shooting down an unarmed, non-threatening black male to jump to the conclusion that all cops are racist murderers (something no person connected to BLM has ever said, by the way). You want to believe the FBI somehow had some biased reason to go after Trump or Page or Manafort or Flynn or Cohen, and in Carter Page's case, even 5 different federal district judges....
that is paranoia. that is wrong. it is a sad statement on where this country is after just 2 years of trump spewing this crazy, divisive bullshit aimed at our democratic, journalistic, constitutional and judicial ideals and institutions.
Stop referring to it as "the FBI" - it was a small group of FBI officials at the top, who were intent on keeping Trump from the Oval Office, and who conspired with the hyper-leftist Obama Intelligence officials to gin up a "crime" out of whole cloth that could be used against him. And yes, they used the overwhelming success rate for FISA warrants to (fraudulently) obtain the authority to SPY on the Trump campaign in an effort to find evidence that could be used to derail his campaign/administration.

The results of the Mueller investigation literally rule out every other explanation, save gross incompetence (which no one in their right mind would believe to be the case).
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
A plurality of people believe Trump was spied on- which of course, he was. Overall, 40 to 28, people believe Trump was spied on. This is going to get worse as Barr investigates.

Even worse for DemocRATS, Americans trust Republicans more than DemocRATS to handle jobs and the economy.

Read it and weep, suckers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/04/17/trump-campaign-spy-poll-1278233

So polls are good and accurate today, I can't keep up with the flipflopping. Shouldn't a rightie put the Hillary winning polls comment up ?

Is the Mueller Reports good today or bad? Could you guys please keep us informed, thanks in advance......
 

sensible don

Governor
Supporting Member
well, maybe a politico poll shows that, and to a certain extent, it is true, that any of the 101 documented times Traitor Trump and/or his cronies met with Russian agents in this country it is possible they were bugged as foreigners do not have constitutional rights and authorities can bug them without warrant. That is how they got the first FICA Warrant on Carter Page, in 2014, and the second one in 2016, because he was meeting with known Russian agents and they talked about what a willing stooge he was when they were being listened in on. duh. And Carter Page was directly connected to Trump...so, yeah, in that sense the trump campaign was being spied on because of their close ties and contacts with so many Russians.

GOOD JOB, RIGHT? Or are you clowns saying we should not try to stop Russians from interfering in our elections?

The President, as long as he is a right wing demigod, can do WHATEVER HE FU(KING WANTS ! But once a dem gets elected, watch the tears flow and the outrage be posted hourly or whenever the notices ding.

Just imagine if this was a dem doing all this
 
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what are you talking about? who says judges are monumentally racist?.....what kind of lame ass deflection is that? and no, we do not know any high level FBI officials were acting improperly when it comes to this warrant, particularly, or connected to Trump, in general...NAME SOME OF THESE KNOWN IMPROPER ACTIONS....what kind of lame ass deflection is that? and do you not know that FISA warrants are not like regular warrants that must be authorized to provide evidence of a crime or to stop a crime, they are authorized FOR SURVEILLANCE, not after a crime has been committed, per se, or even to stop a known crime....that is why they are kept secret!! get it? it is about security, not about ordinary crime like murder and robbery...it was only enacted in 1978 in response to the beginning of world wide terrorist attacks.

About the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court
About the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court was established in 1978 when Congress enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which is codified, as amended, at 50 U.S.C. §§ 1801-1885c. The Court sits in Washington D.C., and is composed of eleven federal district court judges who are designated by the Chief Justice of the United States. Each judge serves for a maximum of seven years and their terms are staggered to ensure continuity on the Court. By statute, the judges must be drawn from at least seven of the United States judicial circuits, and three of the judges must reside within 20 miles of the District of Columbia. Judges typically sit for one week at a time, on a rotating basis.

Pursuant to FISA, the Court entertains applications submitted by the United States Government for approval of electronic surveillance, physical search, and other investigative actions for foreign intelligence purposes. Most of the Court’s work is conducted ex parte as required by statute, and due to the need to protect classified national security information.
Who said anything about monumentally? Why do leftists just make sh1t up athey go?
 
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The President, as long as he is a right wing demigod, can do WHATEVER HE FU(KING WANTS ! But once a dem gets elected, watch the tears flow and the outrage be posted hourly or whenever the notices ding.

Just imagine if this was a dem doing all this
Doing all what? Trump was just vindicated.
 
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So polls are good and accurate today, I can't keep up with the flipflopping. Shouldn't a rightie put the Hillary winning polls comment up ?

Is the Mueller Reports good today or bad? Could you guys please keep us informed, thanks in advance......
Yes, cue up the Hillary polls. I could use another good laugh from you.
 
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