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Anybody watching "The Man in the High Castle?" Seems problematic for libs

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Capitalist

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Anything I hate is for someone to tell people all about a show and then telling them to watch it. Jeez...do you have a book you can tell us all about before you tell us to read it?
If you think I’ve spoiled anything or told you all you need to know about this series you must think that reading the title of your history book is all you need to past your history test.
 
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Capitalist

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Great show, very well done. Have not started season 3 yet. I thought the show was great from the start because people have forgotten (or never bothered to learn in the case of our millennial's) what was at stake during that war.
Or how close we are today to embracing Nazi goals!

Here’s the kicker: Lefties might read this and tune in thinking Nazi = Trump, give another fist pump, and watch for Trump in every Nazi.

But season one aired in 2015–different administration. And Hillary was a shoe-in. So that dog won’t hunt.

But seriously, the only difference between Nazi and modern America is the speed at which the two civilizations embrace the same goals.

Chilling!
 
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@Bugsy McGurk @middleview @Spamature @EatTheRich @ObamacareForever

Help me out here, boys. I seem to have gotten my left and right mixed up again. Who is it who wants leaders to follow good Christian rules like "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" Who is pro-life to the extent that they are against physician assisted suicide? Who wants education free of government influence? Who are the environmentalists again?

Is it righties or lefties?

And what are socialists again? Righties or lefties?
 
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Sickofleft

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Or how close we are today to embracing Nazi goals!

Here’s the kicker: Lefties might read this and tune in thinking Nazi = Trump, give another fist pump, and watch for Trump in every Nazi.

But season one aired in 2015–different administration. And Hillary was a shoe-in. So that dog won’t hunt.

But seriously, the only difference between Nazi and modern America is the speed at which the two civilizations embrace the same goals.

Chilling!
There is a lot about the Left's agenda the Fascist of that era would have loved.
 
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Capitalist

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There is a lot about the Left's agenda the Fascist of that era would have loved.
Most certainly.

That’s what has me puzzled. For years I’ve been saying stuff that seemed so obvious to me: Nazis are socialists. They embrace every socialist plank like universal healthcare, environmentalism, physician assisted suicide, atheism, welfare, indoctrination over education, business control. . .and here we have another example—and this time from Hollywood!—on how accurate this assessment is and how wrong they are and you’d think they’d be here “educating” me once again on left and right but they are nowhere to be found.

The silence is deafening.

Are they waiting for direction from the Mother Ship? Or are they saying nothing because it’s impossible to deny the truth?
 

Spamature

President
@Bugsy McGurk @middleview @Spamature @EatTheRich @ObamacareForever

Help me out here, boys. I seem to have gotten my left and right mixed up again. Who is it who wants leaders to follow good Christian rules like "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?"
That sure isn't a right winger's world view. They want to be able to do what ever they want to "those people" and then go into an uncontrollable rage if they "feel", not even think, a rumor is true that the same is happening to them.


Who is pro-life to the extent that they are against physician assisted suicide?
The folks who like to see people suffer as vegetative piss and shit factories until their last agonizing death rattle, are the right wingers.

Who wants education free of government influence?
People who are glad to see and take advantage of the inequality that fostered by an education system that leaves graduates and non graduates alike smothering under a mountain of debt ?
Who are the environmentalists again?
They should be anyone with enough since to understand they have to live in there environment. Right wingers want all of the gains from bad environmental policies as long as they personally don't have to live with the results. Otherwise they are the most environmentally active people they are.

Is it righties or lefties?

And what are socialists again? Righties or lefties?
I would say the that left are closer to socialist.

While the right are much closer than most of the world would like to fascist.
 
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That sure isn't a right winger's world view. They want to be able to do what ever they want to "those people" and then go into an uncontrollable rage if they "feel", not even think, a rumor is true that the same is happening to them.
Oh no? Christianity not right winger? Since when? Face it. You've got some serious cognitive dissonance you're covering up.

The folks who like to see people suffer as vegetative piss and shit factories until their last agonizing death rattle, are the right wingers.
So you're in favor of Nazi euthanasia as shown in the first season. Got it.

People who are glad to see and take advantage of the inequality that fostered by an education system that leaves graduates and non graduates alike smothering under a mountain of debt ?
So indoctrination education comes with a price. Chalk up another win for the Nazis.

They should be anyone with enough since to understand they have to live in there environment. Right wingers want all of the gains from bad environmental policies as long as they personally don't have to live with the results.
What else would a Nazi supporter say? I mean, it's like, straight out of the episode (minus the shitty grammar).

I would say the that left are closer to socialist.
That's what I've been saying all along. And now Hollywood is too. Nazis are socialists. Nazis are leftists. Welcome to reality.
 
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trapdoor

Governor
I've watched it -- sci-fi, alternative fiction -- ought to be right up my ally. For some reason I just can't get into it. It's not the political messaging, whatever that might be. It just doesn't grab me.
 
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I've watched it -- sci-fi, alternative fiction -- ought to be right up my ally. For some reason I just can't get into it. It's not the political messaging, whatever that might be. It just doesn't grab me.
So, I felt exactly the same way after watching the pilot episode. It kinda put me to sleep. And since this is a Philip K. Dick story I was really disappointed so I shelved it and forgot about it. Then only recently, my brother convinced me to give it a second chance and I did. That's why I'm "Johnny Come Lately" to the show.

Really awesome stuff though!

Guns are, of course, illegal in the Japanese Pacific States. But one of the main characters is a machinist at a factory that makes, among other things, replica guns. The barrels can't be fully bored out but guess what! He spends a couple extra minutes, bores one out, and viola! He has a gun!

There's even a 2nd Amendment message in there about the inevitability of guns.
 

trapdoor

Governor
So, I felt exactly the same way after watching the pilot episode. It kinda put me to sleep. And since this is a Philip K. Dick story I was really disappointed so I shelved it and forgot about it. Then only recently, my brother convinced me to give it a second chance and I did. That's why I'm "Johnny Come Lately" to the show.

Really awesome stuff though!

Guns are, of course, illegal in the Japanese Pacific States. But one of the main characters is a machinist at a factory that makes, among other things, replica guns. The barrels can't be fully bored out but guess what! He spends a couple extra minutes, bores one out, and viola! He has a gun!

There's even a 2nd Amendment message in there about the inevitability of guns.
I watched about three-fourths of the first season. I just found that I didn't care about these characters. The only one I found even mildly interesting is the antique dealer who speaks fluent Japanese and wants to ingratiate himself in that society -- who discovers that he still has to enter through the tradesman's entrance. But the young people who flee to the mountains, and the would-be assassin, and the Nazi spy in the resistance? They all just felt like cardboard cutouts.
 
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I watched about three-fourths of the first season. I just found that I didn't care about these characters. The only one I found even mildly interesting is the antique dealer who speaks fluent Japanese and wants to ingratiate himself in that society -- who discovers that he still has to enter through the tradesman's entrance. But the young people who flee to the mountains, and the would-be assassin, and the Nazi spy in the resistance? They all just felt like cardboard cutouts.
Fair enough. I know what you’re talking about.

Joe Blake, the Nazi spy, is a complicated character. Is he a Nazi or resistance? I still don’t know and I’m almost through the second season. If he’s cardboard it makes it tougher to tell.

The Marshal is melodramatic and over the top. Didn’t like him at all. He could have been done much better. I’m glad he appears to be gone.

I do like Childen the store owner. My nephew says he’s a side character early on but something happens that plunges him right into the middle of everything.

I think the biggest problem is Juliana and Frank. Juliana is supposed to “feel” for everybody which kinda makes her a sucker for Joe. She could be a little more nuanced and less cardboard. But Frank kinda gets a pass since his sister and her family were killed by Kido. He’s allowed to be angry and single minded.

I think Kido is awesome in his snobbery towards anything western—a really despicable character. He and Tagomi (Japanese trade minister) are appropriately stiff. Tagomi especially has a human side revealed in season 2 that really puts cracks in his veneer and lets you peek inside just a bit.

I will say the season 1 finale is spectacular!
 
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Spamature

President
Oh no? Christianity not right winger? Since when? Face it. You've got some serious cognitive dissonance you're covering up.
No I mean right wingers.


So you're in favor of Nazi euthanasia as shown in the first season. Got it.
Haven't seen the show except for about the first 10 minutes. It kind of looks like one of those shows that would make a commitment to, like the Hand Maiden's Tale. So I gave up.

So indoctrination education comes with a price. Chalk up another win for the Nazis.
You either have to have money or be particularly talented in some area the school finds useful.
They don't give away degrees for free.

What else would a Nazi supporter say? I mean, it's like, straight out of the episode (minus the shitty grammar).
I wouldn't know what the show says. Knowing you like it, I probably never will.
Thanks for losing them a viewer.


That's what I've been saying all along. And now Hollywood is too. Nazis are socialists. Nazis are leftists. Welcome to reality.
All I know is 50k of your wing nut GOPers voted for a Nazi on election day. That is all we need to know about you people and the Nazis.

In the real world they're your kind not ours.
 
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RickWA

Snagglesooth
No I mean right wingers.




Haven't seen the show except for about the first 10 minutes. It kind of looks like one of those shows that would take a commitment like the Hand Maiden's Tale. So I gave up.



You either have to have money or be particularly talented in some area the school finds useful.
They don't give away degrees for free.



I wouldn't know what the show says. Knowing you like it, I probably never will.
Thanks for losing them a viewer.



All I know is 50k of your wing nut GOPers voted for a Nazi on election day. That us all we need to know about you people and the Nazis.

In the real world they're your kind not ours.
Dude, you’ve become “progressively” more extreme and hostile over the past few months.
 
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I responded to hostility with hostility. What in that post is extreme ?
What did I say that was hostile?

And besides, even if you did mistake hostility for directness you’re supposed to be morally superior to a con like me. Where’s your “turn the other cheek?”

Hypocrite much?
 
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