Bernie's Offer to Trump: Single Payer Medicare for All NOW!

[georgephillip]

Of course now as we think about it, the Republicans do not have a plan Obamacare is failing and now we need a plan. This is where we must look at Bernie's plan and here is why everyone really wants this plan

1. This was his plan all along in the Primaries and the idea is was so popular then that Hillary stepped aside and said "Bernie should be President" and the Primaries were won in every state by Bernie.

2. Bernie's landslide victory was the greatest Presidential win in history...because people wanted single payer

3. Because the 536 Billionaire can afford to pay for every ones healthcare.

 

[georgephillip]

Much of the world has Communism and/or is ruled by dictators - we don't have that either.

Just because someone else is doing it is not a good argument.

Where do you see communism ruling today? Why would you believe a $500 billion savings every year in US health care costs is something to oppose?

 

[georgephillip]

AK take a bullet to the head before I see Barney or Clinton in the White House

 

[Spamature]

Notice the sh*t you're getting from the same people who are lamenting that the Dems won't sign on to their plans.

Bipartisanship has a lifespan of about 1 sec when it's the GOP that has to do the compromising.

 

[georgephillip]

Sounds like he's sniffing around for another payoff, like the one he got from the DNC to pretend to run for president.

"Sen. Bernie Sanders said Sunday he planned to introduce a single-payer health care plan to Congress, inviting Republican leaders to negotiate the measure.

“'I'm going to introduce a Medicare-for-all single-payer program,' Sanders told anchor Dana Bash on CNN's 'State of the Union.' The Vermont senator, who has repeatedly stated his support for such a plan in the past, said he hoped to garner bipartisan support for the plan.

"The former Democratic presidential candidate said such a plan could help to deliver on President Donald Trump's pursuit of lowering prescription drug prices, adding that he'd look to work with the White House on the legislation.

"'President Trump, come on board. Let's work together,' Sanders said. 'Let's end the absurdity of Americans paying by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs.'"

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/sanders-to-introduce-single-payer-health-care-plan-236516

Would you care to guess how many times Trump has praised single payer?

"Here are five times Trump's rhetoric about healthcare sounded more socialist than free-market:"

http://ijr.com/2016/02/537107-5-times-donald-trump-praised-socialized-healthcare/

Would you care to opine on whether Trump will toss a few Republicans under the proverbial bus to buy a little political (Russian mafia) capital distraction?

 

[georgephillip]

If you did not like Obamacare...Bernie goes: WWHD? (What would Hitler do?) Yes Fellow socialist like Hitler, yes both are socialists and Bernie is offering to make things worse.

Memo to Bernie:

Socialists like You and Shitler are not wanted. No one thinks that your plan can support itself, yet you do not care. Your let Hillary steal your money then defended the loser when you should have should the email crap down her throat and won the primary...but you did not because you are a loser. Nothing makes me think that your plan could work until the country is bankrupted. No thank you. It probably time to take you pension and have it taxed at 90 percent and see how you like that.

http://www.ibtimes.com/health-care-bill-2017-sanders-democrats-pushing-medicare-all-after-gop-plan-fails-2515782

"Health Care Bill 2017: Sanders, Democrats Pushing 'Medicare For All' After GOP Plan Fails ON 03/27/17 AT 3:34 PM"

Get ready to rumble, Losers!

 

[georgephillip]

Notice the sh*t you're getting from the same people who are lamenting that the Dems won't sign on to their plans.

Bipartisanship has a lifespan of about 1 sec when it's the GOP that has to do the compromising.

I'm beginning to believe there are a few positive consequences to having an obviously amoral con man like Trump in the White House; we are all being forced to examine some of our core beliefs about politics and economics we never would have reconsidered if Clinton or Bush had won last November. Of course, if a major crisis erupts, all bets are off.

 

[Spamature]

I'm beginning to believe there are a few positive consequences to having an obviously amoral con man like Trump in the White House; we are all being forced to examine some of our core beliefs about politics and economics we never would have reconsidered if Clinton or Bush had won last November. Of course, if a major crisis erupts, all bets are off.

Trump is a blessing in a sense. He is the big festering pustule of Teapartyism. It is finally coming to a head after the years of this right wing sickness that has infected our body politic. Those millions of people out in the streets on the day after the inauguration was America's immune system finally kicking into gear.

 

[worldlymrb]

I haven't seen all of Bernie's plan; however, it is my understanding that when single payer insurance becomes available country-wide, for profit insurance plans are no longer economically viable in the national marketplace.

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/3/27/medicare_for_all_sen_bernie_sanders

"DR. STEFFIE WOOLHANDLER: Well, the Republican plan, which was defeated, was just a meaner version of the Affordable Care Act. Unfortunately, both of those acts have left the private insurance industry in the center of the healthcare system. And we actually need to get the private health insurance industry out. Their overhead and profits and the overhead that they impose on doctors and hospitals are costing us $500 billion annually that we do not need to be spending, $500 billion annually that we could save through a single-payer program, use that money to cover the 26 million Americans who now have no coverage, and then to improve the coverage of insured Americans, who often have insurance they can’t afford to use because of the high copayments, the high deductibles."

If it is true we could save $500 billion a year by switching to single payer, would you still insist on a private option?

Just great... Another compulsory govt monopoly that is going to have a profit motive to make sure nobody lives after they stop paying taxes and want to collect their govt subsidized benefits/pensions.

 

[resident_evil]

Bernie is an [Unwelcome language removed] who's answer to everything is FREE everything for anyone he deems worthy.

Socialism we won't rest until everyone is miserable!!!

Bernie at midnight would add a "free college for everyone" amendment to his single payer legislation. He couldn't help himself. And if you already did that but had a student loan it would be a retroactive amendment.

He's such a fiscal clown. He and his cult members should be deported to Venezuela for a life lesson.

 

[georgephillip]

Trump is a blessing in a sense. He is the big festering pustule of Teapartyism. It is finally coming to a head after the years of this right wing sickness that has infected our body politic. Those millions of people out in the streets on the day after the inauguration was America's immune system finally kicking into gear.

I agree with you assessment of Trump; however, even his harshest critics give Trump credit for a lifetime commitment to healthcare for all.

Bernie's Senate bill will probably closely follow one already in the works in the House:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

"The program is funded: (1) from existing sources of government revenues for health care, (2) by increasing personal income taxes on the top 5% of income earners, (3) by instituting a progressive excise tax on payroll and self-employment income, (4) by instituting a tax on unearned income, and (5) by instituting a tax on stock and bond transactions. Amounts that would have been appropriated for federal public health care programs, including Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), are transferred and appropriated to carry out this bill.

"The program must give employment transition benefits and first priority in retraining and job placement to individuals whose jobs are eliminated due to reduced clerical and administrative work under this bill."

 

[georgephillip]

Just great... Another compulsory govt monopoly that is going to have a profit motive to make sure nobody lives after paying taxes and want to collect their benefits/pensions.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

Expanded & Improved Medicare for All Act

"This bill establishes the Medicare for All Program to provide all individuals residing in the United States and U.S. territories with free health care that includes all medically necessary care, such as primary care and prevention, dietary and nutritional therapies, prescription drugs, emergency care, long-term care, mental health services, dental services, and vision care.

"Only public or nonprofit institutions may participate. Nonprofit health maintenance organizations (HMOs) that deliver care in their own facilities may participate.

"Patients may choose from participating physicians and institutions.

:Health insurers may not sell health insurance that duplicates the benefits provided under this bill.

"Insurers may sell benefits that are not medically necessary, such as cosmetic surgery benefits."

See, you can still get your next face lift from for profit parasites.

 

[Spamature]

I agree with you assessment of Trump; however, even his harshest critics give Trump credit for a lifetime commitment to healthcare for all.

Bernie's Senate bill will probably closely follow one already in the works in the House:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

"The program is funded: (1) from existing sources of government revenues for health care, (2) by increasing personal income taxes on the top 5% of income earners, (3) by instituting a progressive excise tax on payroll and self-employment income, (4) by instituting a tax on unearned income, and (5) by instituting a tax on stock and bond transactions. Amounts that would have been appropriated for federal public health care programs, including Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), are transferred and appropriated to carry out this bill.

"The program must give employment transition benefits and first priority in retraining and job placement to individuals whose jobs are eliminated due to reduced clerical and administrative work under this bill."

Trump has a lifelong commitment to Trump . His hotel workers in Vegas had to fight tooth and nail to get him to give in on healthcare benefits.

Those premiums in Bernie's plan seem too low. I think you can afford to spread the pain a bit more. I'd even throw the GOP a bone and offer up the EITC to help cover the cost of the plan and after that put the cost on the folks at the top until its all paid for.

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

The overhead would roughly be the same. Medicare for all would still be an insurer, and would likely employ the same amount of people paying the medical bills, it would still roughly require the same amount buildings, and computers, and electricity. Profit is the incentive to keep the overhead as low as possible.
The saving would come from the leverage a single-payer would have negotiating reimbursements rates with doctors and hospitals. Right now insurance companies negotiate extensive contracts with doctors/lawyers where they lay out of a fairly detailed framework for how much the doctors/hospitals get paid. The size of the insurance company is the leverage they have over hospitals. If they go a hospital and say, "its going to cost $50 bucks to fix a broken arm or your hospital will not be covered by our insurance and you will lose 30% of your customers" (all numbers are made up for demonstration purposes) then the hospital will cave an reduce prices. With a single payer Trump would be able to negotiate better rates because he would have 100% of the customers. If hospitals didn't submit and take substantially lower profit margins then a single-payer could effectively put them out of business.

You have created a falicy and don't realize it, or you think people are sto stupid and don't know what single payer is.
What's to negotiate when the government controls healthcare? that is what the single payer system is. You keep your stupidity I'll keep my freedom

 

[Constitutional Sheepdog]

Would you expect significantly higher overhead for Medicare for All?

Here's is at least one Big Savings:

http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2011/09/20/medicare-is-more-efficient-than-private-insurance/

George would you like to make that much money? Get a job you just might make it.

 

[georgephillip]

Trump has a lifelong commitment to Trump . His hotel workers in Vegas had to fight tooth and nail to get him to give in on healthcare benefits.

Those premiums in Bernie's plan seem too low. I think you can afford to spread the pain a bit more. I'd even throw the GOP a bone and offer up the EITC to help cover the cost of the plan and after that put the cost on the folks at the top until its all paid for.

Could you see Trump and Bernie combining to bring single payer to the U-S-A? Personally, I don't think we would even be discussing this question if anyone other than Trump (or Bernie) had moved into the White House? A lot of political tectonic plates have shifted in the last hundred days?

 

[Spamature]

Could you see Trump and Bernie combining to bring single payer to the U-S-A? Personally, I don't think we would even be discussing this question if anyone other than Trump (or Bernie) had moved into the White House? A lot of political tectonic plates have shifted in the last hundred days?

You will need the WH the House and the Senate with a super majority to get single payer.

And your whips better have actual f'ing whips in their hands and be ready to use them when they come to count the votes.

 

[georgephillip]

You will need the WH the House and the Senate with a super majority to get single payer.

And your whips better have actual f'ing whips in their hands and be ready to use them when they come to count the votes.

We would also need to sustain the mass turnouts at Republican AND Democrat town halls.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx

"MAY 16, 2016

• PRINT
• SHARE

"Majority in U.S. Support Idea of Fed-Funded Healthcare System
by Frank Newport

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• 58% favor replacing the ACA with federally funded healthcare system
• About half would also be OK with keeping the ACA as is
• Separate question shows that just over half would favor repealing the ACA"

 

[Spamature]

We would also need to sustain the mass turnouts at Republican AND Democrat town halls.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx

"MAY 16, 2016

• PRINT
• SHARE

"Majority in U.S. Support Idea of Fed-Funded Healthcare System
by Frank Newport

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• 58% favor replacing the ACA with federally funded healthcare system
• About half would also be OK with keeping the ACA as is
• Separate question shows that just over half would favor repealing the ACA"

They did too in 2009. And even with all of that all we got was the ACA.

 

[georgephillip]

They did too in 2009. And even with all of that all we got was the ACA.

Hopefully, Bernie won't turn to a health care VP like Liz Fowler to write his bill.

"Former WellPoint VP Elizabeth Fowler sits behind her boss, Sen. Max Baucus, as he announces in 2009 that the health care bill will have no public option."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/obamacare-fowler-lobbyist-industry1