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Breaking News: Russia probe report finds no evidence of political bias,

middleview

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Stop lying. They stated predicate for opening such an investigation is so low that basically "thinking" something is enough to do it. That's why Horowitz gave them a pass when they pleaded to him that they were just incompetent instead of biased with the framing.

Good read: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/473709-horowitz-report-is-damning-for-the-fbi-and-unsettling-for-the-rest-of-us

This investigation was rife with missteps, framing of Trump associates, and misconduct. While they admitted the evidence was flimsy and they needed very little to justify starting it (Horowitz had no choice but to accept that) when it became obvious that Russian collusion was a fraud the whole thing should have been shelved. It wasn't....but instead the misconduct and framing continued under the guise that it was sheer "incompetence" instead of bias.

Facts matter.
Wow...talk about incompetence. The Hill makes it sound like the CIA told the FBI "hey, Page is working for us"...and in fact Page had helped with an investigation in 2013...

Who was framed? What misconduct? It is not obvious that collusion was a fraud. Trump did benefit from Russian efforts.
People make mistakes. Does that make them incompetent? Trump makes mistakes...on a daily basis. He double crossed our allies (the Kurds). He has been more positive about Putin than our European allies...he has demoralized our military and our intelligence services. Does that make him incompetent? One of his mistakes alone, no. Taken as a whole, how can you deny that he's a blowhard windbag and certainly unable to do the job.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
What Barr is doing and apparently forced Durham to do is unprofessional and unprecedented. Using his position as the AG to run a political cover campaign for Trump is a disgusting piece of crooked gamesmanship. Real AGs don’t come out and trash their IG the day his report comes out. Barr is proving once again that he is no more than a Roy Cohn type bagman for Trump and Putin.Q

So you believe the AG should just come out and back the report even if he disagrees with it? Look, the parts Barr disagrees with are the SUBJECTIVE parts. We all now know the FISA warrant against Page was bunk, the dossier was bunk, Russian collusion was bunk. We all now know that fraudulent information was used in this investigation while exculpatory material was excluded. There are simple material facts. Barr nor Horowitz disagree with these material facts. No sane person attempts to argue it anymore You may have left wing mental illness toadies like spammy and middie but they do not represent the facts.

What Barr disagrees with is the SUBJECTIVE parts of the report. Horowitz feels the framing of Trump associates was simple incompetence. Barr thinks there is more to it because of its sheer volume and repetitive nature. The fact the investigation was a joke is no longer in doubt, though. Subjective opinions about the facts can draw different conclusions. Opinions on motive here for example.
 
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Mick

The Right is always right
I’m not lying, Barr is lying and you are repeating his lies. Just as you are repeating the lie that Russian collusion was a fraud and should have been shelved. The Mueller report says no such thing..

Yes, it does:

“The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons knowingly or intentionally coordinated with [Russia’s] interference operation.”

There was no collusion and they clearly had the information to know this early on as revealed in the IG report. Horowitz's gives them a pass as incompetent as to their shelving of the exculpatory facts in deference to the fake damning materials. Barr and Durham don't.
 
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Mick

The Right is always right
Wow...talk about incompetence. The Hill makes it sound like the CIA told the FBI "hey, Page is working for us"...and in fact Page had helped with an investigation in 2013...

Who was framed? What misconduct? It is not obvious that collusion was a fraud. Trump did benefit from Russian efforts.
The CIA did tell the FBI on multiple occasions that Page was working for them. McCabe Comey, Strzok and others made the conscious decision to exclude this while simultaneously making the conscious decision to include the dossier as basically the ONLY evidence. And they knew the dossier was a joke and came from bad sourcing. This was all entirely clear in the report. They did this multiple times. Now the question is why. Horowitz feels incompetence explains it. Barr and Durham do not.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
The CIA did tell the FBI on multiple occasions that Page was working for them. McCabe Comey, Strzok and others made the conscious decision to exclude this while simultaneously making the conscious decision to include the dossier as basically the ONLY evidence. And they knew the dossier was a joke and came from bad sourcing. This was all entirely clear in the report. They did this multiple times. Now the question is why. Horowitz feels incompetence explains it. Barr and Durham do not.
Page had not worked as an informant since 2013.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
In light of the facts in the IG report, it's fun to go back and review the many false claims about the Carter Page FISA peddled by NeverTrumpers.

The Steele dossier was front and center in *every* FISA, b/c the FBI couldn't get probable cause without it. https://t.co/w3vHvKhJmS

— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) December 10, 2019
Precisely. They had no evidence against Page otherwise. And they knew the dossier was bunk. This is why Barr and Durham don't buy Horowitz's excuse for it.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Precisely. They had no evidence against Page otherwise. And they knew the dossier was bunk. This is why Barr and Durham don't buy Horowitz's excuse for it.
Page bragged that he was an advisor to the Kremlin. He was also an advisor to Trump. He had been recruited by the Russians back in 2013, but was encouraged to testify against them then. A FISA warrant was used to put him under surveillance at that time. I think that means he was not a willing informant. He had just come back from Moscow as WIKI was releasing email from the DNC email server.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
Page had not worked as an informant since 2013.
And? That was just 3 years earlier. Horowitz says the FISA court should have been presented this material and the dossier tossed. He's buying the excuse of incompetence. You can't even get to that basic threshold here as you are still arguing the FISA warrant was legitimate. Deranged. LOL.
 

middleview

President
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And? That was just 3 years earlier. Horowitz says the FISA court should have been presented this material and the dossier tossed. He's buying the excuse of incompetence. You can't even get to that basic threshold here as you are still arguing the FISA warrant was legitimate. Deranged. LOL.
Does the word "incompetence" appear anywhere in the IG report? Nah.

Did Page brag that he was an advisor to the Kremlin? In my opinion, someone appointed to be a high ranking advisor to a presidential candidate who also works for Moscow is all the reason I'd need to grant the FISA warrant.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
Page bragged that he was an advisor to the Kremlin. He was also an advisor to Trump. He had been recruited by the Russians back in 2013, but was encouraged to testify against them then. A FISA warrant was used to put him under surveillance at that time. I think that means he was not a willing informant. He had just come back from Moscow as WIKI was releasing email from the DNC email server.
Here you go again. You are excluding exculpatory FACTS while at the same time propagating conspiracies. Page was cleared in 2013 and it was revealed to the FBI that Page was actually working for the CIA. The Russians thought of him as an "idiot". This is why the FISA court judges didn't buy it. This is why the application was scrapped and entirely composed of the dossier instead. Exculpatory facts for a Trump associate need not apply. Conspiracies, lies all on board. Incompetence, right?
 

Mick

The Right is always right
Does the word "incompetence" appear anywhere in the IG report? Nah.
That's the boiled down word of this finding:

“That so many basic and fundamental errors were made by three separate, handpicked investigative teams on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations that was briefed to the highest levels with the FBI…raised significant questions regarding the FBI chain of command’s management and supervision”

The errors were either being done purposely or because of incompetence. So you admitting they were done purposely now?

:D
 
Here you go again. You are excluding exculpatory FACTS while at the same time propagating conspiracies. Page was cleared in 2013 and it was revealed to the FBI that Page was actually working for the CIA. The Russians thought of him as an "idiot". This is why the FISA court judges didn't buy it. This is why the application was scrapped and entirely composed of the dossier instead. Exculpatory facts for a Trump associate need not apply. Conspiracies, lies all on board. Incompetence, right?
There was enough there there with Page, nuff said

Eat it MAGA Suckers, the MAGA Sucker Lord, Savior and Putin Whore "Benedict" Donald J Trump was rightfully investigated by Mueller.
 
The IG report says otherwise. Having trouble reconciling facts, leftist?...
Care to quote the IG report saying there was no there there in regards to Page?

....It should have never gotten to Mueller. The investigation was built on lies. The IG report makes that clear.
Except for the US ally tip on "Benedict" Donald J Trumps treason?

thx in advance
 
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