Breaking News: Russia probe report finds no evidence of political bias,

[Mick]

nope. judgement calls you disagree with? Some are simply trivial...."hey judge...Page helped in a case back in 2013"...relevant? I think not.

Horowitz says yes. He probably knows a little more about the proper procedure on filing a FISA warrant then you do, no?

Lulz

 

[Jack4freedom]

So you believe the AG should just come out and back the report even if he disagrees with it? Look, the parts Barr disagrees with are the SUBJECTIVE parts. We all now know the FISA warrant against Page was bunk, the dossier was bunk, Russian collusion was bunk. We all now know that fraudulent information was used in this investigation while exculpatory material was excluded. There are simple material facts. Barr nor Horowitz disagree with these material facts. No sane person attempts to argue it anymore You may have left wing mental illness toadies like spammy and middie but they do not represent the facts.

What Barr disagrees with is the SUBJECTIVE parts of the report. Horowitz feels the framing of Trump associates was simple incompetence. Barr thinks there is more to it because of its sheer volume and repetitive nature. The fact the investigation was a joke is no longer in doubt, though. Subjective opinions about the facts can draw different conclusions. Opinions on motive here for example.

Barr is playing the same game he did by holding onto the Mueller report for over a month and lying about it giving Trump, Hannity, Alex Jones, Breitbart and the whole gang of lying blowhards on AM radio time to gaslight the public into believing it was total exoneration for Trump. He is a crooked bagman who has obviously been paid off to shill for Trump. The investigation was obviously not a joke and Trump continues to sell out our allies while sucking Putin’s [Unwelcome language removed] at every turn. He was just photographed with Putin’s bagman today, both grinning like a couple of cats covering up sh*t.

 

[Jack4freedom]

Here is advice. Horowitz has already found 50 times the evidence for misconduct that targeted Trump associates than Mueller ever found on Russian collusion with Trump associates. You've already lost this battle. The indictments coming from Durham will just be the icing on the cake.

Tell that to Manafort, Gates, Flynn and Cohen. Those guys are all in real jail. Convicted by juries of their peers in real court. Just tonight Trump called FBI agents and Bob Mueller “scum” for prosecuting these crooked slimes and called then great people.

The indictments coming from Durham, if any will be minor violations with little or no jail time and no one will be convicted of witch hunting, hoaxing or soft couping.

Your blind support of Trump, Barr, Manafort, Gates, Flynn and the rest of Trump’s crooked scumbag cohorts is disgusting.

Are you also in support of Hand Grenade Rudy Guiliani, Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, Rick Perry, Gordon Sondland and the slimy scheme they participated in over in Ukraine?

 

[Boca]

And he was relying to the Russians what the FBI told him. So some of the folks were Russian intelligence in that 2nd hop, apparently.

Lordy. lordy, if possible think about it for a minute....if some folks were tagged in the 1st or 2nd hop - it used to be 3 - then the rule worked as intended. Russian intelligence operatives would be like striking gold.

They could be monitored for 90 days before expiration of the FISA warrant. And there were 3 renewals which makes it a year. Not only that but once the warrant became official the snoops can go back in time indefinitely collecting data.

Scary isn't it?

 

[middleview]

Horowitz says yes. He probably knows a little more about the proper procedure on filing a FISA warrant then you do, no?

Lulz

He also says the FBI investigation was justified and it wasn't politically motivated...

 

[middleview]

Lordy. lordy, if possible think about it for a minute....if some folks were tagged in the 1st or 2nd hop - it used to be 3 - then the rule worked as intended. Russian intelligence operatives would be like striking gold.

They could be monitored for 90 days before expiration of the FISA warrant. And there were 3 renewals which makes it a year. Not only that but once the warrant became official the snoops can go back in time indefinitely collecting data.

Scary isn't it?

Back in time? So FISA enables time travel?

 

[Spamature]

Lordy. lordy, if possible think about it for a minute....if some folks were tagged in the 1st or 2nd hop - it used to be 3 - then the rule worked as intended. Russian intelligence operatives would be like striking gold.

They could be monitored for 90 days before expiration of the FISA warrant. And there were 3 renewals which makes it a year. Not only that but once the warrant became official the snoops can go back in time indefinitely collecting data.

Scary isn't it?

Big deal. They didn't tell the suspects side of the story. The Ahole should not have been in Russian badmouthing America while Russia was attacking America. He should have been exiled for that. Let him live in Russia if he loves them so much. Where nobody is surveilled by the govt, right ?

 

[Boca]

Big deal. They didn't tell the suspects side of the story. The Ahole should not have been in Russian badmouthing America while Russia was attacking America. He should have been exiled for that. Let him live in Russia if he loves them so much. Where nobody is surveilled by the govt, right ?

Yes it is a big deal considering it's the root of the biggest political crime in our nation's history.

 

[Boca]

Back in time? So FISA enables time travel?

You can't be that stupid....

But: The use of controls should not obscure for us the scope of what’s actually going on. Data-mining, in particular, is inherently about hunting through data that’s already there, because it is routinely collected, or stored under legal requirements and made available to the US intelligence community on demand. For some types of communications data, it is possible to retrieve information from as much as five years back in the relevant database.

In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion. (As mentioned at links above—here and here—analysts working national-security surveillance without a targeted warrant can routinely go back for an 18-month haul.) Links from the past can then be exploited going forward.

I will apologise for saying indefinitely.

 

[Nutty Cortez]

Big deal. They didn't tell the suspects side of the story. The Ahole should not have been in Russian badmouthing America while Russia was attacking America. He should have been exiled for that. Let him live in Russia if he loves them so much. Where nobody is surveilled by the govt, right ?

Who's the 'Ahole' badmouthing America in another country? Oblaama ?

 

[middleview]

You can't be that stupid....

But: The use of controls should not obscure for us the scope of what’s actually going on. Data-mining, in particular, is inherently about hunting through data that’s already there, because it is routinely collected, or stored under legal requirements and made available to the US intelligence community on demand. For some types of communications data, it is possible to retrieve information from as much as five years back in the relevant database.

In the case of a subject like Carter Page, that means investigators who obtain a warrant in October 2016 can hunt through his communications going back several years before that date—and can use their “license to hop” to probe the first and second order of correspondents linked to him at any point during that period in the same fashion. (As mentioned at links above—here and here—analysts working national-security surveillance without a targeted warrant can routinely go back for an 18-month haul.) Links from the past can then be exploited going forward.

I will apologise for saying indefinitely.

what do you think is in that data? It consists of what is basically in your phone bill. Metadata. It is not like all phone conversations are available.

 

[Boca]

what do you think is in that data? It consists of what is basically in your phone bill. Metadata. It is not like all phone conversations are available.

Of course it's metadata, I know what is thank you anyway, but...the FBI is legally subject to constraints on handling them (as are other agencies). Investigations may not require “unmasking” the identities of all entities whose communications are of interest, and if it isn’t needed, it simply shouldn’t be done.

Shouldn't be done doesn't mean can't be done; and once the identity is known, along with their metadata phone number, there are other means of listening in in real time unbeknownst to the FISA court. Even following them, and other such stuff. And given what we already know about Comey, Strzok, McCabe, et al, and their underhanded dealings with Judge "Rudy" Conteras, who signed off on the first illegitimate warrant, coupled with their absolute determinations to oust the President, I wouldn't put anything past them. In fact I'd bet on it.

 

[Spamature]

Yes it is a big deal considering it's the root of the biggest political crime in our nation's history.

How in the world was monitoring Carter Page's activities "the biggest political crime in our nation's history" ?

Have you people gone insane ?

 

[Spamature]

Who's the 'Ahole' badmouthing America in another country? Oblaama ?

In 2017, Eurasia Group president Ian Bremmer recalled on his Twitter feed that Page's strong pro-Russian stance was "not a good fit" for the firm and that Page was its "most wackadoodle" alumnus.[23] Stephen Sestanovich later described Page's foreign-policy views as having "an edgy Putinist resentment" and a sympathy to Russian leader Vladimir Putin's criticisms of the United States.[2] Over time, Page became increasingly critical of United States foreign policy toward Russia, and more supportive of Putin, with a United States official describing Page as "a brazen apologist for anything Moscow did".[4] Page is frequently quoted by Russian state television, where he is presented as a "famous American economist".[3]

 

[Dawg]

Tell that to Manafort, Gates, Flynn and Cohen. Those guys are all in real jail. Convicted by juries of their peers in real court. Just tonight Trump called FBI agents and Bob Mueller “scum” for prosecuting these crooked slimes and called then great people.

The indictments coming from Durham, if any will be minor violations with little or no jail time and no one will be convicted of witch hunting, hoaxing or soft couping.

Your blind support of Trump, Barr, Manafort, Gates, Flynn and the rest of Trump’s crooked scumbag cohorts is disgusting.

Are you also in support of Hand Grenade Rudy Guiliani, Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, Rick Perry, Gordon Sondland and the slimy scheme they participated in over in Ukraine?

What jail is Flynn in?

 

[Boca]

How in the world was monitoring Carter Page's activities "the biggest political crime in our nation's history" ?

You really don't know do you?

 

[Spamature]

You really don't know do you?

If you know then tell me. Because the first FISA warrant was fine according to the report. The later ones were requested after he left the Trump campaign.