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Sickofleft

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Fascist everywhere must be rejoicing. Even if you put something to a referendum the "betters" if they don't get the result they want, will ignore and do what's best for the serfs anyway.

It gives hope for Fascist who dreams of overturning all elections they don't care for.
 

EatTheRich

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Fascist everywhere must be rejoicing. Even if you put something to a referendum the "betters" if they don't get the result they want, will ignore and do what's best for the serfs anyway.

It gives hope for Fascist who dreams of overturning all elections they don't care for.
Fascists purport to speak for “the serfs.” Which is how they claim legitimacy for overturning the results of elections they don’t care for in the name of the popular movement that elevates conservatives to power on their shoulders.

Fascists are probably happy because this is symptomatic of a system that is in crisis which affords them an opportunity if socialists don’t prevent it by rising to the occasion and seizing power themselves.

Fascists actually have a contradictory approach to the European Union. Fascists outside Europe are naturally hostile given the highly nationalistic character of fascism.

But within Europe: Italy, as a weak power allied with France and seeking to restrain Germany, was a firm supporter of the League of Nations, a sort of precursor to the EU.

Germany when it was a weak power challenging France was very hostile to European Union. As Germany allied with Italy, went to war, and humbled France to become the regional great power, they promoted a United States of Europe under Germany’s leadership (the dream the Federal Republic of Germany later achieved when it founded the had become an enemy of Germany’s intended partner in such an alliance, France under the Vichy government, and was hostile to a German-led Europe. Fascist Hungary, seeking to maintain good relations with Germany, supported a European Union. The clerical-fascist regimes in Austria and Croatia and their Polish allies supported the papacy as a counterweight to German and British imperialism and a center for reaction. Fascist Spain relied too much on shifting and fuzzy alliances to want a European Union. Fascist Portugal, a country that relied on its alliance with imperialist Britain, supported a European Union before the fall of the French, opposed one for a short time afterward, and supported one again after Italy joined the Allies.

Traditional British fascism was pro-Italian, pro-German, and loved the idea of a European Union dominated by the British and the fascist powers. Later, under the influence of rising capitalism-inspired resentment of E. European immigrants, and influenced by the rise to primacy of the United States, Britain’s special relationship with the U.S. as its historically preferred European ally, most British fascism turned anti-European Union. Similarly in France, French conflicts with the U.S. and NATO—when they were strongly supported by W. Germany—tensions with pro-independence fascist movements in the French colonies, fights between advocates of inflationary and deflationary monetary policy, and France’s resented but valuable (for the French rulers) of an alliance with the Federal Republic of Germany, led to fracturing of French fascism into pro-European Union factions and anti-European Union factions. Semi-fascist Romania was hostile to a European Union led by republics or by a pope willing to use its regime as a bargaining chip, although earlier Romanian fascists had endorsed a European Union dominated by imperialist France with Romania as its regional junior partner.

Irish and Greek fascism were the preferred regional allies of the Germans and supported a European Union, but Greek fascists turned against one as Turkey became the preferred regional ally. Scandinavian fascists were ultra-Germanophiles on racial and anti-Russian/Soviet grounds. Turkish fascists were opposed to European culture on social conservative grounds and therefore resisted the European Union. WWII-era Ukrainian fascists split between an Orthodox, anti-Catholic faction hostile to the Catholic-dominated alliance Hitler or his critics in the other fascist powers preferred, and a broad alliance of groups that wanted a powerful Germany to take charge against the Soviets/Russians, and more recently a pro-Russia, anti-EU fascist faction has grown up there.

Italian neo-fascists were split between a party that supported revanchist attacks on the world dominated by the UN in which the EU had its influence, often with ties to radical (sometimes fascist) anti-European groups in the semi-colonial world, and a pro-U.S. party which itself included a deflationist group that supported the EU as a way of stabilizing the money supply and strengthening anti-communist cooperation, and a group that opposed a German-dominated EU as a counterweight to American influence. German neo-fascists started out as very pro-European Union as the Nazis had been, and increasingly (but far from unanimously) turned against Union in the face of its reality, liberal support for it, the importance to it of the alliance with Turkey, which fascists tended to despise on racist and religious-bigot grounds, and increased E. European immigration. Neo-fascism in Serbia, Romania, and Russia was anti-German and anti-EU, while neo-fascism in Croatia couldn’t avow support for the EU (or Germany) without embarrassing Germany whose support was vital to Croatia in the wars with Bosnia, Serbia, and Republika Srpska. Some (usually secularist) fascist factions in Egypt and Syria wanted a strong (usually anti-U.S.) European Union to which their respective countries, if not much of the Middle East, was also admitted.
 
Or if they respected voters they could also leave the EU unilaterally without trying to make a deal first.
We did leave, on the 29th of March 2019. What they are now discussing is a new treaty with the EU. One which would tie us into the EU forever without any input into it - but they are pretending that ( pulling the wool over most voter's and many idiot MP's eyes) it is a withdrawal ( from the Union) act. They did the same thing, in reverse, in 1975 - in that first referendum the majority of the public ( including myself) thought that we were voting to join the Common Market or not - it was not until we were actually in the polling booth that we realised that we had already joined (in 1972) and were now voting on whether to stay or leave............. after a massive propaganda campaign to terrify the public into voting to join/stay.

If people listened to Brussels, Tusk and co - they would understand that this is all about a new treaty with the EU and not about leaving at all. We already left. The BBC and all other TV companies and most of the press are subsidized by our money which is controlled by Brussels - they hold the purse strings not Parliament so almost all of the media are prejudiced £ toward Brussels. The fake News is as much about what is not reported as it is about what is reported.

There is a document - FCO 30/1048 - which laid out the intent then, in 1972. I cannot begin to tell you how insidious and how totally invasive the EU is in every single member state - it as completely ripped away everything that was there before and callously owns and controls everything even down to our bus timetables.
 
British govt needs to comply with the original referendum first.

In fact, I hear there is a pro -brexit party crushing everybody in the polls and they are calling for a HARD exit. I say bravo chaps!
There is no hard or soft Brexit - that is a remainer ploy to stay - there is only stay or leave. Which we did - we left. Someone forgot to tell Parliament that fact.
 
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Parliament voted against "No-deal" Brexit.
In theory only - none of these last votes have been binding. Everything Parliament has been doing since May was -- and fu'ck know how she was -- put into no 10 has been illegal and or not binding. She keeps putting 'what ifs' in front of Parliament to vote on - it is incredible - off the wall lunacy - she might as well be asking Parliament whether they prefer Tabby cats to Ginger cats no laws are being made or amended on their EU pretend votes. The Withdrawal Act was not amended and automatically went through/ratified on the 29th March 2019. Now she is trying to get a new treaty through but no one wants to play - even though she has openly blackmailed and bribed almost every MP in the bloody house. Parliament is no longer fit for purpose.
 
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Fascists purport to speak for “the serfs.” Which is how they claim legitimacy for overturning the results of elections they don’t care for in the name of the popular movement that elevates conservatives to power on their shoulders.

Fascists are probably happy because this is symptomatic of a system that is in crisis which affords them an opportunity if socialists don’t prevent it by rising to the occasion and seizing power themselves.

Fascists actually have a contradictory approach to the European Union. Fascists outside Europe are naturally hostile given the highly nationalistic character of fascism.

But within Europe: Italy, as a weak power allied with France and seeking to restrain Germany, was a firm supporter of the League of Nations, a sort of precursor to the EU.

Germany when it was a weak power challenging France was very hostile to European Union. As Germany allied with Italy, went to war, and humbled France to become the regional great power, they promoted a United States of Europe under Germany’s leadership (the dream the Federal Republic of Germany later achieved when it founded the had become an enemy of Germany’s intended partner in such an alliance, France under the Vichy government, and was hostile to a German-led Europe. Fascist Hungary, seeking to maintain good relations with Germany, supported a European Union. The clerical-fascist regimes in Austria and Croatia and their Polish allies supported the papacy as a counterweight to German and British imperialism and a center for reaction. Fascist Spain relied too much on shifting and fuzzy alliances to want a European Union. Fascist Portugal, a country that relied on its alliance with imperialist Britain, supported a European Union before the fall of the French, opposed one for a short time afterward, and supported one again after Italy joined the Allies.

Traditional British fascism was pro-Italian, pro-German, and loved the idea of a European Union dominated by the British and the fascist powers. Later, under the influence of rising capitalism-inspired resentment of E. European immigrants, and influenced by the rise to primacy of the United States, Britain’s special relationship with the U.S. as its historically preferred European ally, most British fascism turned anti-European Union. Similarly in France, French conflicts with the U.S. and NATO—when they were strongly supported by W. Germany—tensions with pro-independence fascist movements in the French colonies, fights between advocates of inflationary and deflationary monetary policy, and France’s resented but valuable (for the French rulers) of an alliance with the Federal Republic of Germany, led to fracturing of French fascism into pro-European Union factions and anti-European Union factions. Semi-fascist Romania was hostile to a European Union led by republics or by a pope willing to use its regime as a bargaining chip, although earlier Romanian fascists had endorsed a European Union dominated by imperialist France with Romania as its regional junior partner.

Irish and Greek fascism were the preferred regional allies of the Germans and supported a European Union, but Greek fascists turned against one as Turkey became the preferred regional ally. Scandinavian fascists were ultra-Germanophiles on racial and anti-Russian/Soviet grounds. Turkish fascists were opposed to European culture on social conservative grounds and therefore resisted the European Union. WWII-era Ukrainian fascists split between an Orthodox, anti-Catholic faction hostile to the Catholic-dominated alliance Hitler or his critics in the other fascist powers preferred, and a broad alliance of groups that wanted a powerful Germany to take charge against the Soviets/Russians, and more recently a pro-Russia, anti-EU fascist faction has grown up there.

Italian neo-fascists were split between a party that supported revanchist attacks on the world dominated by the UN in which the EU had its influence, often with ties to radical (sometimes fascist) anti-European groups in the semi-colonial world, and a pro-U.S. party which itself included a deflationist group that supported the EU as a way of stabilizing the money supply and strengthening anti-communist cooperation, and a group that opposed a German-dominated EU as a counterweight to American influence. German neo-fascists started out as very pro-European Union as the Nazis had been, and increasingly (but far from unanimously) turned against Union in the face of its reality, liberal support for it, the importance to it of the alliance with Turkey, which fascists tended to despise on racist and religious-bigot grounds, and increased E. European immigration. Neo-fascism in Serbia, Romania, and Russia was anti-German and anti-EU, while neo-fascism in Croatia couldn’t avow support for the EU (or Germany) without embarrassing Germany whose support was vital to Croatia in the wars with Bosnia, Serbia, and Republika Srpska. Some (usually secularist) fascist factions in Egypt and Syria wanted a strong (usually anti-U.S.) European Union to which their respective countries, if not much of the Middle East, was also admitted.
God you do talk a load of bull shit sometimes EatTheRich.

The wars fought here were Imperialist. Against the Central Powers and their competition to other ( British/ French) Industrialized nations + for ownership of the Oil in the Ottoman Empire. Fascism was a reaction, a defensive reaction of sovereign nations against said Imperialism and in the same vein ( same danger by different and even more lethal means) Communism.

The EU was an American project gone wrong. Well, one suspects the 'gone wrong'. After the last large European war Germany was a pile of dust full of starving refugees. France Italy and others were becoming more and more communist leaning. With good reason the US Gov was afraid that Stalin could and would just walk into mainland Western Europe and take it SO it gave the CIA an open cheque book to set up, by any means - no questions asked - a European Fed in the same vein as the USA ( long story) ..... I do not think that the US Gov meant the EU to become the monster that it has become but .... Hell is paved etc.
 
They could call a general election which would likely lead to another hung parliament. And we would we be right where we are now.
Who will call a legal strike? The Unions, what is left of them, are in the pay of and pro the EU. No-one will go on an illegal strike and anyway 'who are the workers now?'.
 
If they could get organized labor on the same team it could break this logjam. But that would also require a fight for the national rights of the Irish and Scottish and a militant fight against Islamophobia and Jew-hatred.
A dictatorship lead by EatTheRich eh? The Irish and the Scots and the Welsh have devolved powers ( not really a good thing but ... they have them) and N ireland and Scotland had their referendums and voted to keep the Union together.

As for forcing a whole nation to like incomers that some have reason not to like - wtf is that if not evil? And it is happening ------------
 
Fascist everywhere must be rejoicing. Even if you put something to a referendum the "betters" if they don't get the result they want, will ignore and do what's best for the serfs anyway.

It gives hope for Fascist who dreams of overturning all elections they don't care for.
How is it fascism when the Government is shown to have no powers, none at all?
 

reason10

Governor
Not officially yet, just postponed... till it gets postponed again... till it gets postponed again... You get the idea on where this going... The only way out is to a 2nd referendum.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-theresa-may-labour-talks-jeremy-corbyn-second-referendum-a8918271.html
My brother has been doing business with some Brits. The story is, that country's economy is going in the shitter. The pound/sterling is down in value to where it is almost equal to the American dollar. A lot of this is because half the country wants out of the EU and half doesn't.
 
My brother has been doing business with some Brits. The story is, that country's economy is going in the shitter. The pound/sterling is down in value to where it is almost equal to the American dollar. A lot of this is because half the country wants out of the EU and half doesn't.
No it isn't. It is because of indecision on the part of Les Elite.
 
That could be, too. I'm just going by what Brits are telling my brother these days.
I am English.

No-one knows wtf is going on --- in fact by law we left the EU on the 29th March but now that May et al are trying to get this new EU treaty through and nothing is being done to replace all that the EU controls - none of the EU laws are being repealed we stand in a void.
 
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