Brexit is Canceled

[Queen Titania]

old white people,bigoted and frightened...Those are the idiots supporting Brexit

Just for you

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=440078573392114

 

[EatTheRich]

brexit=bigoted old white people trying to destroy the country

Brexit is a progressive refusal to cooperate in the plans to build a 4th Reich

 

[Queen Titania]

Brexit is a progressive refusal to cooperate in the plans to build a 4th Reich

Not actually - no it isn't. That is a mindless, ignorant, interpretation of what the EU is. The Third Reich was a reverence to all national cultures - Junker recently called us 'stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own country' which is the absolute opposite of what the Reich held dear.

 

[ObamacareForever]

The EU will install a hard border from Lough Foyle to Carlingford Lough? Hahaha Oh hahahahaha - Yer right, with whose army?

Relaxing regs on agriculture, as far as the EU is concerned, will mean only that we shall be able to grow what we like and not what we are told we can grow by the EU --- as far as live stock is concerned the UK was stricter about cruelty than Ireland and the EU anyway ---- not strict enough but stricter.
Which border? The EU can check incoming cargos on its own border/ports.

Which would be the Irsh/NI border.

The fear in Britain is of US products not UK or EU products btw - and that will depend on our trade deals and our own regs and make no mistake there are loud and powerful bodies already screaming blue murder about the possibilities in that direction -

I agree, it's about fear of US agricultural products crossing the border at the moment. In the future the UK could very likely start producing their own chlorinated chicken that the EU doesn't want. A regulatory divergence necessitates a hard border. And a regulatory divergence might as be called "asserting one's sovereignty". Without a regulatory divergence there is no Brexit.

They would still have to cross water twice - and there will not be a sudden change over EU citizens and UK citizens moving around Europe not even with a No Deal. Read the Withdrawal Act --- all stays in situ until Parliament repeals EU laws and agreements as and when.

Sudden change does not mean no change. The whole reasons for the referendum was to end freedom of movement. There is no way to regulate who enters and leaves the country without a hard border.

 

[Queen Titania]

Which would be the Irsh/NI border.

I agree, it's about fear of US agricultural products crossing the border at the moment. In the future the UK could very likely start producing their own chlorinated chicken that the EU doesn't want. A regulatory divergence necessitates a hard border. And a regulatory divergence might as be called "asserting one's sovereignty". Without a regulatory divergence there is no Brexit.

Sudden change does not mean no change. The whole reasons for the referendum was to end freedom of movement. There is no way to regulate who enters and leaves the country without a hard border.

The only things crossing from North to South unchecked by either the UK or the EU would be Irish products = milk being delivered to Ireland from Ireland.

The fear is not about Ireland but about any new trade agreements after Brexit allowing some unwanted US products being directly delivered into the UK anywhere.
I ask you again --- With whose army will the EU inflict a hard border, which no-one wants, in Ireland?

False. One reason for the ending of the EU occupation of the UK was about a massive influx of peoples coming here to become the cheap labour for corporate and etc. Just one reason out of 'the million' other 84 thousand EU laws imposed on us which have devastated our once decent civil life - leaving us bereft, poverty ridden, overburdened, strangers in our own land - but Ireland can take care of itself in that direction, they cannot cross the water legally into the mainland without checks as it is now. How do you suppose it will any easier after Brexit?

 

[ObamacareForever]

The only things crossing from North to South unchecked by either the UK or the EU would be Irish products = milk being delivered to Ireland from Ireland.

The fear is not about Ireland but about any new trade agreements after Brexit allowing some unwanted US products being directly delivered into the UK anywhere.
I ask you again --- With whose army will the EU inflict a hard border, which no-one wants, in Ireland?

The Irish/EU will install a hard border. The Irish rightly value EU membership more than their relationship with the UK. The EU will install a hard border to make sure the UK sees none of the benefits of EU membership without accepting all of the responsibility of the EU membership.

False. One reason for the ending of the EU occupation of the UK was about a massive influx of peoples coming here to become the cheap labour for corporate and etc.

And without a hard border that won't end.

Just one reason out of 'the million' other 84 thousand EU laws imposed on us which have devastated our once decent civil life - leaving us bereft, poverty ridden, overburdened, strangers in our own land - but Ireland can take care of itself in that direction, they cannot cross the water legally into the mainland without checks as it is now. How do you suppose it will any easier after Brexit?

So you don't consider Northern Ireland to be part of the UK? You don't care if migrants work in Northern Ireland? Why not just leave them in the EU?

 

[Queen Titania]

The Irish/EU will install a hard border. The Irish rightly value EU membership more than their relationship with the UK. The EU will install a hard border to make sure the UK sees none of the benefits of EU membership without accepting all of the responsibility of the EU membership.


And without a hard border that won't end.

So you don't consider Northern Ireland to be part of the UK? You don't care if migrants work in Northern Ireland? Why not just leave them in the EU?

So you still refuse to answer that simple question - How will the EU impose a hard border right across 500 miles of an island where the politicians and the populous, of said island, do not want one? How?



Time will tell.



I said 'the mainland'. There is a sea between Ireland, North and South, and the mainland of Great Britain. The United Kingdoms of Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England make up the UK - when have I ever argued with that fact?

The Irish have a say in their own destiny, another fact you seem not to comprehend, and there is another dramatic solution, if it is a united Ireland that you are after, which would be for the South to leave the EU and then, if they want to, unite as one sovereign state --- but that is up to them, not me nor you. Try listening to the Southern Irish politicians sometimes and you will see how (un)happy they are in the clutches of the [Unwelcome language removed] parasitic Mafia called the EU.

 

[ObamacareForever]

So you still refuse to answer that simple question - How will the EU impose a hard border right across 500 miles of an island where the politicians and the populous, of said island, do not want one? How?

Same a hard border installed everywhere else.

The Irish have a say in their own destiny, another fact you seem not to comprehend, and there is another dramatic solution, if it is a united Ireland that you are after, which would be for the South to leave the EU and then, if they want to, unite as one sovereign state --- but that is up to them, not me nor you. Try listening to the Southern Irish politicians sometimes and you will see how (un)happy they are in the clutches of the [Unwelcome language removed] parasitic Mafia called the EU.

The Irish aren't going anywhere. 85% of the Irish say EU membership is a "good thing". Irish Reunification is not dependent of Ireland leaving the EU.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/eu-approval-rating-highest-in-ireland-876526.html

 

[Queen Titania]

Same a hard border installed everywhere else.






The Irish aren't going anywhere. 85% of the Irish say EU membership is a "good thing". Irish Reunification is not dependent of Ireland leaving the EU.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/eu-approval-rating-highest-in-ireland-876526.html

Everywhere, where exactly? Where is a hard border, crossing the nation, imposed by one country on another country who doesn't want a hard border in their land?

 

[ObamacareForever]

Everywhere, where exactly? Where is a hard border imposed by one country on another country who doesn't want a hard border in their land?

The Irish want to remain in the EU which will require a hard border.

 

[Queen Titania]

The Irish want to remain in the EU which will require a hard border.

Answer the question.

 

[EatTheRich]

Not actually - no it isn't. That is a mindless, ignorant, interpretation of what the EU is. The Third Reich was a reverence to all national cultures - Junker recently called us 'stupid nationalists, they are in love with their own country' which is the absolute opposite of what the Reich held dear.

Disagreed. Hitler’s nationalist dream was a Europe where Germany reigned over all other nations. Germany’s current dream is to accomplish the same via the EU. What they object to is the nationalism of countries other than Germany. Just as Hitler did.

 

[Queen Titania]

Disagreed. Hitler’s nationalist dream was a Europe where Germany reigned over all other nations. Germany’s current dream is to accomplish the same via the EU. What they object to is the nationalism of countries other than Germany. Just as Hitler did.

No, it wasn't. Try reading him instead of translations made by your so called 'historians' who don't even speak German. Find some honest translations of Hitler's speeches and you will find that he did not want to lord it over Europe.

And no, I do not believe that of Germany today either - the way the EEC was set up forced all of the first states into a protective/defensive position - but then. I thought that you actually understood the EU - didn't you say?

 

[ObamacareForever]

Answer the question.

Your question is purely hypothetical.
In the event of a hard Brexit the Irish will want a hard border.

 

[Queen Titania]

Your question is purely hypothetical.
In the event of a hard Brexit the Irish will want a hard border.

Both sides of Ireland have stated emphatically that they will not tolerate a hard border - so I ask again - How would the EU impose one?

 

[ObamacareForever]

Both sides of Ireland have stated emphatically that they will not tolerate a hard border - so I ask again - How would the EU impose one?

The EU will impose a border the same way it imposes hard borders at along all its external borders.

 

[Queen Titania]

The EU will impose a border the same way it imposes hard borders at along all its external borders.

Which borders? Which external borders?

Southern Ireland does not want a hard border - Northern Ireland does not want a hard border - The UK does not want a hard border sooooo how is the EU going to build and control this Irish hard border of yours?

And what do the IRA think about your hard border?