Brexit update.

[Pogue Mahone]

I know it is frightening. We have to get out now or we will be stuck with huge EU debts. People know this but the Remoaners in Parliament are vandals who do not give a damn.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=480180019508260

We are beginning to lose trust now in Boris too, sadly. It will depend on what he stands on in an election 'cos we don't like the 'deal' - which leaves us with the dilemma of who to vote for IF we get a normal election.
Labour voted, for the third time, against an election within the Fixed term Act (FTA) today. Tomorrow Boris will present a motion for a one line bill - for an election - outside the FTA which jokingly the horribly EU corrupt LibDem Leader suggested on TV - and Boris took her up on it.

BUT ............

Though the SNP and LibDems are now, in theory, agreeing to an election it is only IF it is whilst students are still at Uni ( meaning that thousands will vote twice, as they openly did before, 1) in their Uni town 2) in their home town) IF we give the vote to 16 & 17 yr olds IF we give the vote to EU citizens living here IF we give the vote to ex pats, no matter how long they have been away. A Labour Lord in the HoLs is also at the ready to amend the motion for an election into a motion for Remain.


Farage with his new Brexit party is, rightly, criticising Boris's deal and getting a lot of support from angry Brexiteers, BUT mainstream BBC watching voters won't vote for him and the vote could be split with terrible consequences. Tactical voting could get us a decent parliament but not everyone goes along with such plans - do they? Well Remoaners do - some have recently been imprisoned for voter fraud in Peterborough.

The real Brexiteers in Parliament have advised Boris to just walk away from the EU --- but if he did it on or before the 31st he would be breaking UK law ( The Benn Act) even though EU law supersedes it in Art 50 - A PM can't be seen to be breaking UK law and Gina Miller would soon have him in court with Soros money.

ps Boris could have blocked the Benn Act but Corbyn, in Parliament, promised him an election if Boris allowed it through unchallenged - Boris did. Corbyn reneged and is again making demands on Boris if he wants his election he must A and B and C.

So - unless we get a normal General Election and a decent Brexit friendly Parliament this nightmare will continue ad infinitum.

It really is a nightmare - T May has a lot to answer for as do many other MPs still sitting on those Green Benches.

Ps One good thing - Bercow has gone on the 31st and he will NOT get a knighthood as is usual for a Speaker.

It really sounds like your government has fk'd you over and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it. And you now know what your vote is worth, when you vote against the wishes of your masters.

If certain people get their way, we in the States will soon be learning the same lesson.

 

[Spamature]

It really does depend on how we leave the EU.

That is an argument for taking your time. In this case it does not look like can go back in and retrieve someone you forgot once you are out the door.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Trump is not the topic in this one thread - if you don't mind! You have the rest of the forum to talk about Trump!

About Trump, no, but both our countries are embroiled in the same struggle against the same enemy.

 

[Queen Titania]

That is an argument for taking your time. In this case it does not look like can go back in and retrieve someone you forgot once you are out the door.

3 1/2 years is long enough for those hooligans to be faffing about taking huge wages on their broken promises.
The very very very loud call, from the electorate, is for a Clean Break, No-deal Brexit. That is what we voted for and that is what we want.

By hook or by crook we will get it too.

 

[Queen Titania]

It really sounds like your government has fk'd you over and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it. And you now know what your vote is worth, when you vote against the wishes of your masters.

If certain people get their way, we in the States will soon be learning the same lesson.

It was never going to be easy - we knew that - it is, I agree, the same for you. It is the same for everyone the world over

If we get a normal election and Leave voters are sensible we should get a Tory majority with a good number of Brexit party MPs too - in that scenario we have a chance of getting out clean.

As to how the country is run afterwards - a new battle will begin.

Never a dull moment

 

[Spamature]

3 1/2 years is long enough for those hooligans to be faffing about taking huge wages on their broken promises.
The very very very loud call, from the electorate, is for a Clean Break, No-deal Brexit. That is what we voted for and that is what we want.

By hook or by crook we will get it too.

There goes that anger and pride talking. This is why people have divorce lawyers. Because somebody needs to look at the separation objectively and look out for what is in your best interest free of those emotions.

 

[Queen Titania]

There goes that anger and pride talking. This is why people have divorce lawyers. Because somebody needs to look at the separation objectively and look out for what is in your best interest free of those emotions.

Divorce? Wtf does divorce have to do with a fight for independence from an Empire? Wtf?

 

[Spamature]

Divorce? Wtf does divorce have to do with a fight for independence from an Empire? Wtf?

That is essentially what a divorce is too.

 

[Queen Titania]

That is essentially what a divorce is too.

Oh so marriage is a dictatorship in the US is it? I never knew that.

 

[Spamature]

Oh so marriage is a dictatorship in the US is it? I never knew that.

I am sure a many divorcee has felt so .

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Oh so marriage is a dictatorship in the US is it? I never knew that.

For men with children the dictatorship often begins after the divorce.

 

[Queen Titania]

I am sure a many divorcee has felt so .

Felt so or where so?

 

[Queen Titania]

For men with children the dictatorship often begins after the divorce.

We laugh but, poor things. it isn't really funny, is it?

 

[Spamature]

Felt so or where so?

You aren't fighting them. You are agreeing to dissolve a economic union between your governments, that you voluntarily entered into, after intermingling your economies for the past half century.

You just might like to get it right is all that I am saying.

 

[Queen Titania]

You aren't fighting them. You are agreeing to dissolve a economic union between your governments, that you voluntarily entered into, after intermingling your economies for the past half century.

You just might like to get it right is all that I am saying.

We are fighting them, them of the dirty tricks, and the Union is political with all that entails.

 

[Spamature]

We are fighting them, them of the dirty tricks, and the Union is political with all that entails.

They have given you agreements on leaving how many times ?

I bet if it were a deal you all liked it would have been said and done earlier this year.

You're not fighting, you're negotiating.

 

[FakeName]

3 1/2 years is long enough for those hooligans to be faffing about taking huge wages on their broken promises.
The very very very loud call, from the electorate, is for a Clean Break, No-deal Brexit. That is what we voted for and that is what we want.

By hook or by crook we will get it too.

The majority actually think Brexit was a mistake and want to stay.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/uk-poll-results/

 

[Queen Titania]

They have given you agreements on leaving how many times ?

I bet if it were a deal you all liked it would have been said and done earlier this year.

You're not fighting, you're negotiating.

Twice or thrice now ---- I know there are many jokes about tis becoming a mere tradition -

I bet it wouldn't Spam.

 

[Queen Titania]

The majority actually think Brexit was a mistake and want to stay.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/opinion-polls/uk-poll-results/

Untrue.

 

[georgephillip]

I am still smiling --- thank God for Boris.

OK so today, Saturday, the House sat to discuss the 'new deal' that Boris has negotiated with Brussels and then vote on it. The House has only ever sat on a Saturday before in times of war. Serious sh'it!

Our political set up is different to yours in many ways including that the executive comes out of the legislature. The Speaker of the House is very powerful and is, by convention, supposed to be neutral. The Order paper - order of discussion in the House - is the Gov's prerogative by convention.

Because there cannot be a 'hard border' on the only land border between the UK and the EU ( Good Friday Agreement) in Ireland May's deal had trapped the whole of the UK under EU laws until the EU decided we could go. Her deal was voted down by Parliament twice. May left No 10 and Boris stepped in. The EU had said they would not negotiate further. Boris said 'OK then we shall leave under WTO on the 31st Oct 2019' - exit day by Art 50. The EU opened up the negotiations again. Meanwhile back in Parliament the Speaker gave the Order Paper to the opposition who drafted and passed a law ( in 1 day!) forcing Boris to beg the EU for an extension if a new deal had not been found and approved by the EU and Parliament by 19th Oct 2019. An agreement between Gov and the EU was found - it isn't perfect, by any means, but it is a beginning to a Brexit end with no hard border in Ireland - It is over 60 pages long so i shan't bore you with it.

The new deal was put before the house today --- BUT yesterday an amendment to the deal, drafted by Oliver 'poll tax' Letwin ( spit spit) was allowed by the Speaker --- the amendment demands that Boris beg for an extension even if the Bill/deal is approved by Parliament. Parliament decided on the amendment first and being a Remoaner Parliament voted for it --- making the vote on Boris's deal void.

The Gov after a courteous few words from Boris, just got up and walked out saying 'leave them too it' - loooooooooool Bercow's ( Speaker) face was a picture - he was flummoxed! The Leader of the House ( Mogg) said, in a short point of order, that the Gov would bring this back to the House on Monday ( well a part of it ) - and soon after that he also walked out. Bercow was dumbfounded! looooooooooool For the next 1 1/2 hours the Remoaner's whined --- until a very very learned MP stood up and said that 'it used to be perfectly normal that the Gov set out the next days discussion the day before'. Bercow was put in is place --- he is a bully who as trampled all over our constitution and Parliamentary conventions and think's he is god!

Remoaners and Bercow have been going back and forth to Brussels begging them not to deal with Boris.

This is the best game of Chess ever played out in Parliament - Boris's move

What's the possibility of a Second Referendum?

https://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentary_a_hard_brexit_looms

"On Saturday afternoon, as the news emerged of Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s failure to railroad his new Brexit deal through the House of Commons sight unseen, a huge cheer went up from the crowds thronging Parliament Square.

"One million marchers had converged on London from all corners of the country to demand a second referendum before the enactment of a Brexit radically at odds with the original prospectus offered by the Leave campaign in 2016. So..."

The new deal was put before the house today --- BUT yesterday an amendment to the deal, drafted by Oliver 'poll tax' Letwin ( spit spit) was allowed by the Speaker --- the amendment demands that Boris beg for an extension even if the Bill/deal is approved by Parliament. Parliament decided on the amendment first and being a Remoaner Parliament voted for it --- making the vote on Boris's deal void.