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Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Queen Titania, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. EatTheRich

    EatTheRich President

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    My issues with Corbyn are his anti-Semitism, opposition to Brexit, arrogant technocratic attitude, and lack of a genuine labor base. Labour needs to be brought to heel by the unions or replaced with a true labor party. But voting Conservative means jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
     
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  2. EatTheRich

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    The Crown was very much on the side of the propertied interests.
     
  3. Queen Titania

    Queen Titania Senator

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    He is just a silly 17yr old activist in a 70 yr old body or as some else one said ' a 16 year old who forgot to grow up' but some of those around him are very frightening people.

    The Unions do run Labour but now are all in the pay of the EU, it is they who are against Brexit. The postal union is threatening to go on strike around the election = not sending postal votes in. The Unions were completely ruined by mass immigration - cheap compliant labour and no-one here wants to live through those years of Union power ever again.

    The Tories are the only ones who can and will get us out - that's just a fact of life and if Farage would just take his BP cultists back to Europe with him Boris would win by a landslide - even in many of the old Labour strongholds.
     
  4. FakeName

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    Boris Johnson accidentally made an incredibly compelling argument against his own Brexit deal
    https://amp.businessinsider.com/vid...ade-a-perfect-argument-against-brexit-2019-11
     
  5. Queen Titania

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    NI are the only ones with a land border - GB doesn't. GB will have the better of the two choices - NI will have that with GB and access to the EU's single market - in four years time NI can chose, themselves, what they want to carry on doing in the future.

    Best of all would be that the republic leave the EU too.
     
  6. georgephillip

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    Is it accurate to say the EU prefers Labour's position, i.e., the closest possible relationship with the EU including the existing customs union and the single market? Countries that can't control the movement of capital find it nearly impossible to control patterns of investment inside their borders, and a "free" movement of capital necessitates a "free" movement of labour. Would you say Johnson's side is looking to cheapen labour in general, thereby turning the UK into the Singapore of the North Sea?
     
  7. Queen Titania

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    Is that Labour's position? It does tend to change from one day to the next - many Labour MPs are now leaving the party and telling voters to vote Tory. I do not know what Labour's position is other than they say that; they will negotiate a deal with the EU in 6 mths and then have a referendum ''Remain'' or ''Their 'as yet unknown' Deal'' but campaign for Remain, not the Deal that they will negotiate with the EU.

    The LibDems want to revoke Art 50.

    No, the Tories are raising the minimum wage up to £10.50 per hr from £8. 21 and with tightened control ,on cheap labour coming in from the Eastern bloc, wages should stay stable - one would think.

    George, one is in the EU or one is out of the EU, there is no in between. There is no soft Brexit. Soft Brexit actually means Remain. We are not on the same landmass as most of the rest of the EU so don't need a Norwegian or Swiss type of compromise.
     
  8. georgephillip

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    Are you expecting to find more in common with Russia after Brexit?
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    https://www.ft.com/content/2057070e-f961-11e9-98fd-4d6c20050229

    "So it is unsurprising that the UK and Russia are likely to end up as the two major European powers that stand outside the EU. However, both countries will continue to worry about the EU’s collective power.

    "As nations on the periphery, they have traditionally feared the rise of a single power dominating the European landmass — which partly explains why they ended up as allies in the Napoleonic wars and the two world wars.

    "Each country has built its modern identity around the memory of victory in 1945. And both are shaped by nostalgia for imperial power."

    https://www.ft.com/content/2057070e-f961-11e9-98fd-4d6c20050229
     
  9. Queen Titania

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    I don't know about Russia George. I have never been there and I have known very few Russians.

    Brexit has nothing to do with the loss of Empire, on the contrary, it is about escaping from one. Fear the EU from outside it? No -------it is those trapped inside who fear it.

    Most of Europe has an imperial memory. Of 1945, yes, I am afraid it is used in argument as an objection to EU rule sometimes --- Is it true that the grandchild give up easily that which their grandparents fought to keep and protect?

    But yes Russia and Britain do have things in common and we used to trade before they went Red. It is a natural trading relationship and a sensible one. Will it be rekindled? Dunno
     
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  10. georgephillip

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    I didn't bring any children into this world, but I've noticed the economic disadvantages today's young people face that weren't there fifty years ago. Perhaps Brexit and Trump's impending impeachment will send corrupt bankers and governments a message they can't ignore?
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    "In this Autumn of Discontent, people from Chile, Haiti and Honduras to Iraq, Egypt and Lebanon are rising up against neoliberalism, which has in many cases been imposed on them by U.S. invasions, coups and other brutal uses of force.

    "The repression against activists has been savage, with more than 250 protesters killed in Iraq in October alone, but the protests have continued and grown.

    "Some movements, such as in Algeria and Sudan, have already forced the downfall of long-entrenched, corrupt governments."

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/1...-up-to-demand-justice-in-chile-and-the-world/
     
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  11. Queen Titania

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    I think that there is worse to come - unnecessarily.

    Boris isn't in yet George - but if he gets his majority -what can any of our Leaders actually do? We know what happens if they cross the wrong people or the wrong line but .............. mmm they might shift things a little and that little might be enough if we make use of it. I am sure that Boris would, if he gets a decent majority, get us out of the EU - but it stops there - of any other changes for the betterment - I dunno.
     
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  12. georgephillip

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    This link is from last August.
    How much are you worried about?


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49388402

    "According to Operation Yellowhammer, the dossier leaked to the Sunday Times, the UK could face months of disruption at its ports after a no-deal Brexit.

    "And plans to avoid a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic are unlikely to prove sustainable, it adds.

    "The dossier says leaving the EU without a deal could lead to:

    • Fresh food becoming less available and prices rising
    • A hard Irish border after plans to avoid checks fail, sparking protests
    • Fuel becoming less available and 2,000 jobs being lost if the government sets petrol import tariffs to 0%, potentially causing two oil refineries to close
    • UK patients having to wait longer for medicines, including insulin and flu vaccines
    • A rise in public disorder and community tensions resulting from a shortage of food and drugs
    • Passengers being delayed at EU airports, Eurotunnel and Dover
    • Freight disruption at ports lasting up to three months, caused by customs checks, before traffic flow improves to 50-70% of the current rate"
     
  13. Queen Titania

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    That was May's worst case scenario - lol, as you can imagine there was loads of stock-pilling after that report was published.

    I am not worried at all.
     
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  14. Pogue Mahone

    Pogue Mahone Legalize it.

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  15. Queen Titania

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    God that bloody man!

    He is still contesting seats which the Tories could/would win back - thus the vote will be split and Lab or LibDem will get it.

    There are Labour seats where Tories have no chance, he should concentrate on them alone but no, old big head has to stay relevant.

    The BP is only a Ltd company - there are no members - just subscribers - poor fools.
     

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