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Burisma pressured Obama State Department officials to end corruption allegations

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Nutty Cortez, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. ObamacareForever

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    So why don't they shut the whole company down?
     
  2. PhilFish

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    Who, Ukraine? they got paid, i guess.
     
  3. ObamacareForever

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    Just because the CEO is corrupt doesn't mean everyone who worked for the company is tainted.
     
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  4. PhilFish

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    we're not really getting anywhere.

    so far we have Hunter..through no qualificaions of his own, promoted to the board of a company known for corruption (under investigation even (thanks for affirming), earning millions. you further affirm there's corruption, and that an investigation occurred. and that the VP flexed and caused the firing of a prosecutor who may well have furthered the scope of the investigation such that the father's action would be scrutinized.. but, nothing to see here..
     
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  5. ObamacareForever

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    Says who?
    To clean it up
    That ended a full 2 years before Biden began working there.
    And Shokin may well have invented time travel if left on the job. It's too bad we no reason to believe either of those statements.

    Do you believe Shokin should have been left on the job?
     
  6. llovejim

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    why do you keep spewing lies? do you really not see the difference in foreign policy and abuse of power? IF...IF....IF...biden had told Ukraine never re-open the case against Burisma, a company my son works for, or you will not get the international funding from the US and the EU that you need because you are a third world country without much real economic opportunities, THEN IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT TRUMP DID AND WOULD BE IMPEACHABLE, IF NOT CRIMINAL.

    foreign policy of course uses carrots and sticks to try to get foreign countries to do what we want them to do...good god. did you just wake up yesterday and realize that? was it wrong for Trump to authorize greater economic sanctions against his love interest Little Kim when he was shooting missiles over Japan before they fell in love, according to Trump? YES...HE WAS PERFECTLY WITHIN HIS POWER TO DO THAT....was it wrong to finally authorize some fairly heavy sanctions against his BFF Putin in response to their involvement in war crimes in Syria? YES...HE WAS PERFECTLY WITHIN HIS POWER TO DO THAT- it was foreign policy, not bribery to get a foreign country to dig up dirt on his political opponent for purely political gain, not part of any real foreign policy.
     
  7. PhilFish

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    i dont know whether he should or should not. however, the question of whether Biden Sr's influence thwarted the advance of investigations into his son's dealings deserves scrutiny
     
  8. ObamacareForever

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    what dealings deserve scrutiny?
     
  9. PhilFish

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    ooof. see, around the horn we go again.


    i'm good. you'll just go around again.
     
  10. ObamacareForever

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    You haven't connected Hunter Biden to anything illegal. The only reason you have suggest Hunter Biden deserves scrutiny is because of his last name- Which makes it a political motivated investigation- which makes its solitication impeachable.
     
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  11. llovejim

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    you have it all wrong. he was never promoted to the board, he was hired to sit on the board as a legal counsel, due to his Yale law degree AND the fact his last name was Biden. Nothing out of the unusual for any son or daughter of any rich/famous/politically powerful person in the US for the last 100 years, at least. How do you think Gomer Bush even got into Yale with his grades? Or was able to cut in line to get into an exclusive Dallas area National Guard unit that there was a long waiting list for those who wanted to get in to the NG to avoid combat in Vietnam? Or was able to somehow be in charge of so many failed oil companies that somehow could not find oil in Texas? Or was asked to invest 600 grand in the Texas Rangers the year before the rich fatcat buddies of his daddy got the City of Arlington to build them a great new stadium, at taxpayer expense, and his 600K became 12 million overnight?

    and we all know trump is too stupid to have made any money without a huge start up from his dad.

    and why do you keep lying about what Biden did in Ukraine? as anybody with an internet and google can easily fact check- Burisma had been investigated and cleared by Ukrainian prosecutors 2 years BEFORE it hired Hunter Biden....there was never any hint of corruption connected to Hunter Biden in any dealings in Ukraine, and like you keep mentioning, he was pretty much a figurehead, not a decision maker, why would he be held liable for any actions the owner and CEO of Burisma took on his own accord? Why are you so biased? And the reason Joe Biden was so public about getting Ukraine to fire Shovin is BECAUSE IT WAS US AND EU POLICY!!! he was a pro-russian chief prosecutor who tolerated graft and fraud and corruption by his rich pro-russian pals, and they were skimming dough off the international funding the US and EU was sending this third world country- THE US AND EU WANTED THIS PRO-RUSSIAN STOOGE FIRED...and Biden told them so in person, in public, in front of god and everybody and it was all good!! here is how the Irish Times headlined the firing of Shokin from a completely apolitical European view-

    EU hails sacking of Ukraine's prosecutor Viktor Shokin

    https://www.irishtimes.com › news › world › europe › eu-hails-sacking-of-...

    Mar 29, 2016 - Viktor Shokin, who has been fired as prosecutor general of Ukraine after an ... prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on corruption, even as the ... ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political influence and pressure
     
  12. PhilFish

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    ok
     
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    er, ok Jim.

    1. yes, legacy admissions to yale are fairly common. so?
    2. Great, Hunter earning millions from a corrupt gas company, whose owner has ties to russia, and is himself an oligarch, is no big deal. (but..as you demonstrate...biden Sr went in to clean that up.
    3. why then was Shokin replaced with an even bigger pro russian advocate (Lutsenko) and Biden Sr simply accept it..?
    4. EU was pursuing corruption...GB had a case and was holding (froze) 23 million is assets (Burisma). it was only because Zlochevsky paid fines (payoff) that things dried up.
    5.yes trump is too stupid.
     
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  14. llovejim

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    no, that is not what happened!! Shokin was not investigating anyone!! that was his damn problem!! and biden getting that corrupt ass fired WAS CHEERED BY THE EU...do you think they gave a damn about burisma or hunter or joe biden, just that this corrupt ass chief prosecutor who was allowing his rich cronies to skim international funding to Ukraine was finally fired and it was a sign that maybe Ukraine was trying to end the corruption?

    EU hails sacking of Ukraine's prosecutor Viktor Shokin

    https://www.irishtimes.com › news › world › europe › eu-hails-sacking-of-...

    Mar 29, 2016 - Viktor Shokin, who has been fired as prosecutor general of Ukraine after an ... prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on corruption, even as the ... ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political influence and pressure
     
  15. PhilFish

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    shokin said otherwise... https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story
     
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  16. ObamacareForever

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    In your view what job could Hunter Biden hold that wouldn't deserve scrutiny?
     
  17. PhilFish

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    what does that matter.
     
  18. ObamacareForever

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    Do you think the children of government officials are private citizens who can work where they choose?
     
  19. PhilFish

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    yup
     
  20. Take your rage to the DemocRAT party. They're the ones not doing anything but putting on a show for the lower brain neanderthal base. Hey wait a minute...
     

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