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Burisma pressured Obama State Department officials to end corruption allegations

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Nutty Cortez, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. ObamacareForever

    ObamacareForever Governor

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    Which is what Hunter Biden did. he is a private citizen who did nothing wrong. Yet somehow doing nothing wrong deserves scrutiny. It doesn't follow.
     
  2. llovejim

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    [QUOTE="PhilFish

    1. yes, legacy admissions to yale are fairly common. so? (it is the same as Hunter Biden getting hired to be on the board of a gas company chartered in Cypress. like I said, the kids of famous, rich, powerful kids get creampuff jobs, get to go to Yale with crummy grades...get it?)

    2. Great, Hunter earning millions from a corrupt gas company, whose owner has ties to russia, and is himself an oligarch, is no big deal. (but..as you demonstrate...biden Sr went in to clean that up. (no, he did not. that is where you are not on the right page- Biden went to Ukraine to deliver the US and EU message that Shokin had to go or no more international aide..PERIOD. do you really think the Irish Times would describe his firing like shown because they even knew about Hunter Biden or Joe Biden or Burisma in particular? Why do you believe the EU was part of some Biden deep state? do you see how ridiculous you are being about this bullshit?)

    EU hails sacking of Ukraine's prosecutor Viktor Shokin

    https://www.irishtimes.com › news › world › europe › eu-hails-sacking-of-...

    Mar 29, 2016 - Viktor Shokin, who has been fired as prosecutor general of Ukraine after an ... prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on corruption, even as the ... ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political influence and pressure


    3. why then was Shokin replaced with an even bigger pro russian advocate (Lutsenko) and Biden Sr simply accept it..? (who said he was? how do you know who was more pro-russian? did you see the date of the EU loving Shokin getting fired- March 2016...I am not sure when Lutsenko took over for sure, or if he is pro-russian or what, but we do know Shokin is and we do know the EU FREAKING CELEBRATED IT..WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? your own opinion of Lutsenko? If Lutsenko was as bad or worse, why is there no google references to any stories of the EU being pissed off about Lutsenko, but there is of them celebrating the firing of Shokin, who Trump wanted Zelensky to reinstate 3 years later!! like an idiot)

    4. EU was pursuing corruption...GB had a case and was holding (froze) 23 million is assets (Burisma). it was only because Zlochevsky paid fines (payoff) that things dried up. (and....what does that have to do with either biden? do you see what a freaking gigantic nothing burger it is, as far as it being relevant to Trump extortion or to any corruption by either biden, from 3 freaking years ago?)

    5.yes trump is too stupid. (you got that right!!)

    i found this about Lutsenko on google-

    Giuliani turns on 'honest' Ukrainian prosecutor who says ...

    https://www.nbcnews.com › politics › trump-impeachment-inquiry › giulia...

    Oct 1, 2019 - Rudy Giuliani had nothing but praise for Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko — until he didn't. ... In an early May phone call with NBC, Giuliani called Lutsenko a .... The move was also welcomed by the European Union

    In an early May phone call with NBC, Giuliani called Lutsenko a “much more honest guy” than the previous, Kremlin-aligned prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, whom the Ukrainian Parliament sacked for failing to crack down on corruption.

    In May, PolitiFact also thoroughly researched the issue, concluding: "We found no evidence to support the idea that Joe Biden advocated with his son's interests in mind, as the message suggests. It's not even clear that the company was actively under investigation or that a change in prosecutors benefited it.”

    Ukraine’s Parliament, under duress from Western allies to crack down on corruption, voted overwhelmingly for Shokin’s removal amid accusations that he blocked major cases against allies and influential figures and undermined efforts to root out graft. The move was also welcomed by the European Union. The country was also at risk of losing access to a critical International Monetary Fund program in part over the issue

     
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  3. PhilFish

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    i would think his father exerting his influence would be the issue.
     
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  4. ObamacareForever

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    Exerting influence is in his job description.
     
  5. PhilFish

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    try this at the beginning of the snippet you wish to quote>>>>
    [QUOTE="llovejim, post: 2571851, member: 26911" ]


    and place this at the end of the referenced>>>> [/QUOTE]



    just google Lutsenko for his history.

    i dont understand why discussion of this is a no no

    but conjecture of what was meant by Trump's interactions with Zelensky is definitionally a quid pro quo.

    odd juxtaposition, especially considering the US Ukraine stance on mutual cooperation as relates corrupt practices and endeavors to ferret them out.
     
  6. ObamacareForever

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    It wasn't just the phone call that consititutes the quid pro quo.
    Which doesn't involve the president's personal lawyer in any way, shape, or form.
     
  7. PhilFish

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    but not in trumps?
     
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    but there wasnt
     
  9. ObamacareForever

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    Exerting influence for personal gain is not.
     
  10. ObamacareForever

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    That's not what the people under oath said.
     
  11. llovejim

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    just google Lutsenko for his history.

    i dont understand why discussion of this is a no no

    but conjecture of what was meant by Trump's interactions with Zelensky is definitionally a quid pro quo.

    odd juxtaposition, especially considering the US Ukraine stance on mutual cooperation as relates corrupt practices and endeavors to ferret them out.[/QUOTE]

    why is lutsenko part of this? who freaking cares about lutsenko? he is the guy who said the bidens were not even under investigation. who gives a shit about lutsenko?

    what does it have to do with trump bribing Ukraine to do a political favor for Trump and Rudy?
     
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  12. llovejim

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    ObamacareForever said:

    It wasn't just the phone call that consititutes the quid pro quo.

    Which doesn't involve the president's personal lawyer in any way, shape, or form.



    of course there was..... good god. so i guess al capone was cool to tell small business owners, after the store got vandalized by some thugs, you really should buy insurance from me so that won't happen any more, and also put in a few pinball machines that i can rent you...
    that is what trump did, abusing his authority as president, to withhold vital military aid to a country being threatened by Russia, so they would help him and rudy get dirt on a political opponent...

    take off the blinders, this as dirty as any president has ever been, outright extortion and bribery.
     
  13. Mick

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    Getting the prosecutor fired that was investigating his son's company isn't for personal gain? Wow. You're a funny little man.
     
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  14. ObamacareForever

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    Nope, if he got him fired FOR investigating Burisma, then maybe. But that isn't the case. So y'all got nothing.
     
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    And NO ONE under oath has EVER lied, have they.
     
  16. ObamacareForever

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    All you need to do is prove they are lying.
     
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  17. llovejim

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    Shokin was not fired for prosecuting anybody...read something. he was fired FOR NOT PROSECUTING ANYBODY...goddamn. read something. and only a fool who hasn't read a paper in 10 years thinks Hunter Biden was anything more than a figurehead lawyer named to the Burisma board chiefly due to his last name, 2 years after Burisma had been cleared of any wrong doing...if the owner of Burisma, the CEO, the head enchilada, the decision maker did something wrong after Biden was hired WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH BIDEN? he was not a player, he was only there because he did have a law degree and he had ties to money makers in Washington, and his dad was Joe Biden...lots of kids of rich and important people get hired for that same reason...
     
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    Current libturd methodology is that accusation is proof.
     
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  19. Mick

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    The emails were pleading with the Obama/Biden administration to do something to stop the investigation and used the name Hunter Biden as why it should be important. A few weeks later qid pro Joe shook them down. The new guy came in and got the case tossed.

    Those are the facts. You can cry all you want but it's pretty damn clear what went on.
     
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  20. Nutty Cortez

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    But But But, TRUMP !! ! Russia !!!!!!
     

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