Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Nutty Cortez, Nov 5, 2019.
no, it didn't say that. you are lying.
Really, it revived a long-dormant investigation that (according to letters from Shokin’s office) would never be revived so long as he remained in office. If Biden had wanted to protect Burisma from investigation, there is nothing more efficacious he could have done than to push to make sure Shokin stayed in office.
why is lutsenko part of this? who freaking cares about lutsenko? he is the guy who said the bidens were not even under investigation. who gives a shit about lutsenko?
what does it have to do with trump bribing Ukraine to do a political favor for Trump and Rudy?[/QUOTE]
Lutsenko is also the ONLY source for the claims that Biden exerted influence your halt the investigation into Burisma.
Except the prosecutor who was fired wasn’t investigating the company and attested in writing that he had no intention of ever investigating the company; he was replaced with someone who did investigate Burisma, aggressively, though. The only reasonable conclusion is that Biden supported American interests even at the expense of his own personal interest.
Bullshit. The prosecutor's office put out a press release saying they seized the property of Zlochevsky effective February 2, 2016:
During this time Zlochevsky was hiding out in another country. This is largely what prompted the begging from Burisma representatives to the Obama/Biden administration to help getting the investigation dumped and imploring for assistance and using Hunter Biden's name as bait. A few weeks later Quid pro Joe shook the Ukrainians down and forced them to fire Shokin or get their military aid withheld.....and bragged about doing so.
The guy who took Shokin's place and who Biden called "a great guy" got the whole case against Burisma thrown out just a few months later and Zlochevsky came riding back into the country declaring victory. Anti-corruption activists in Ukraine were horrified how the new prosecutor had so thoroughly and deliberately botched the case against Zlochevsky and Burisma:
The more evidence that comes out the damning this becomes for Joe Biden. Your continue lies have been so thoroughly debunked by the facts that there isn't much point for you to continue. We know what happened here and Joe needs to answer for it.
A last-ditch effort to save his job. His successor “got the case thrown out” by the court against his wishes because he didn’t have any evidence.
You claimed Shokin wasn't investigating Burisma nor its founder Zlochevsky over and over on this forum. Fact is on February 2, 2016 Shokin's office seized Zlochevsky's property as Zlochevsky was in exile hiding from Shokin. Shokin would be gone by late March 2016 thanks to Burisma representatives pleading with the U.S. administration for help and Biden subsequently extorting the Ukrainians.
You also claimed the new guy, Lutsenko, really was the one investigating Zlochevsky. Fact is by late 2016 Lutsenko in just a few months had effectively whittled the case down to nothing prompting the courts to throw it out all together. Zlochevsky came back to Ukraine declaring victory. Anti-corruption groups, meanwhile, cried foul.
There are the facts. I just provided you with 2 links that prove this beyond any doubt. Time to make up new lies, isn't it?
He didn’t “whittle the case down to nothing.” The case was always nothing.
There are plenty of anti-corruption experts in Ukraine who don't agree with your take and I'm sure they know a lot more about the specifics than you do. You're just another left wing dunce.
That said, it's not whether there was illegal activity or not. It was the extortion of Ukraine to get rid of the man investigating his son's company using U.S. taxpayer dollars as the blackmail that is the problem. The more that comes out the more you are backed into a corner with only one inevitable conclusion: Joe Biden knew about, knew it could create peril for his son, and he threatened the Ukrainians over it.
The anti-corruption activists loudly demanded and then applauded the firing of Shokin. They are now citing Trump’s efforts as a major source of corruption today.
would be nicer if you either learned to read or just quit crying like a little girl all the time.
why not source one, instead of lie about it? do you even know how to debate- here is a hint, it is not by just spewing out stuff about what is going on in a foreign country, as if you have a clue, without PROVIDING A SOURCE...no one believes you have any knowledge of anything important or reality based, or you would occasionally post something that made sense. YOU MUST PROVIDE A SOURCE.
The wagons are circled around biden.
Volker testified much to the contrary:
How partisan of you to say that.
O.K. You have establish how they paid for access to Joe.
Why was he there and not at one of the many U.S. companies?
Is there something wrong with working for a foreign company?
Except they didn't.
So someone from Blue Star Strategies (a consulting firm) wants to meet with someone from the state department to ask about Burisma.
Separate names with a comma.