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Calculating the breadth of life amongst the stars

Discussion in 'BFD' started by Days, Nov 6, 2015.

  1. Days

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    This is the guy who started it all...




    Now, first, I want to lay claim to that same thought process by which Pi was first calculated. For, myself, as surely as Archimedes, solved it in my youth, using a similar but somewhat more complicated method. My construct had 6 parts; each the result of two factors multiplied and all six were added together; the formula gave the area of a circle without using Pi. It came out to the exact same answer as that derived using Pi for every size circle. This was 6th grade, and because it wasn't part of the lesson plan, it was lost. For anyone interested in recovering what I did there, I'm quite certain I sliced the circle into pie slices, calculated the triangles within the pie slices and then set up triangles that included the semi-sphere at the end of each slice. The formula was able to deduce a fraction of the triangle that the semi-sphere represented for the end triangles. By applying that fraction, it solved the area of the circle contained in each end slice, then gathered them all up. I have no idea how the triangle was built or what the fraction was it calculated, but it was based on very elementary concepts, so there was law there that practical mathematics has missed, and it is still missing today.

    But now, this post isn't about that. But it is about the reasoning process in that and more. Believe with me, that the mathematics and reasoning of those who decide what it is they are looking at out there - in our galaxy - is very much the same process as that which the brain travels on the journey to discovery of how to build a formula that answers how to calculate a matter, be it volume or whatever. And it is this journey of reason and faith that I wish to examine closer.

    Okay, so what is the latest rationale for planets that may contain life? First off, we are only looking at the Milky Way Galaxy, and then, we are using method to determine and detect these planets, because they are not "visible" ... they are so far away. I do believe the latest consensus, if such a thing exists, is that our galaxy has roughly 200 billion stars, and there is - quite roughly - an equal amount of planets. One in a thousand planets - hence, around 200 million - lie in the warmth zone of liquid water. This isn't saying that they have water, just that if they do, it should be in liquid form.

    Now, here's where the journey of reason and faith comes into play. What is the reasonable guess, based on those numbers, for how much life is in our galaxy? Before you embark on that, using statistics, you have to first be sure that chromosomes are a natural byproduct of stellar wind and water; and I doubt that conclusion, because it has never been produced without first using existing chromosomes... which is cheating. If you can set up an experiment using existing chromosomes and reproduce those chromosomes in water, you still have not accomplished that with stellar wind, hence it has not proven that life is a naturally occurring byproduct of stellar wind and water. (much to the dismay of the New Age movement)

    But then, life did happen here on earth. And let's take a moment and capture the infinite, in order to not stumble at the God factor, let's include God with life here. So, now we can say, life, in its totality, including the existence of God and his procreation, did happen here on earth. So, we can not rule out the creation of life from nothing, even if we have no evidence that it happens automatically from the stellar wind. IOW, there might be more to it, but it might still be happening, and something, by God, happened on this planet, so we know it is workable, or at least, that it worked once. So, the reason part of the journey says, if it worked once, it can work again, right?

    This is where Christians go garbonzo nuts and imagine that God has a million other worlds in various fashion populating the galaxy and millions more beyond. But, WAIT a minute guys, there's no reason to imagine that life is automatic, it could easily be the case that life is a total unique experience that only happens when and where the Great Spirit wants it to happen. And this is where the faith part of the journey says, sorry, God is unique to our tiny planet (which is pretty big relative to our frame, BTW) he told us so in the scriptures. Actually, what he told us was, he knows of no other God, he didn't rule it out, he just said he hasn't had any contact. But he didn't tell us if he was up to his creation shananigans on other worlds or not, so that's another possibility. Indeed, the scriptures are very quiet about other worlds, they speak of the stars, not of planets revolving those stars. Some conclude that this is the result of man not knowing these matters in the times that the scriptures were written, but we don't really know that either, it seems the further you go back, the more man knew, so the negative faith journey doesn't get us to a conclusion either. Of course, we always have plenty of self-deemed authorities on God; these people know God so well, they know everything God is doing. Problem is, God himself said he wasn't telling us everything, only enough for us to live these tiny lives, so we only are given what we need for our short lives on earth, so even if the Bible thumpers deserve more credit than I will ever give them, God may still be propagating worlds that are none of our business.

    Science is not capable of solving this riddle. The reason being, we can not go out there and gather empirical data, and we are too far away to gather it with our telescopes. It is, as the scriptures say it is, out of our reach. But we have one more resource in the human race that could give us a clue. We periodically get anointed saviors - messiahs - who seem to have extra concentrated doses of God resting upon them. And we get more of these than we realize. Maybe one of these messiahs could come forward and dig an answer from this God of life who definitely does inhabit one planet, anyway. I think this is our best bet to answering this riddle. Our lives are too short to solve the question, but God has been around a long, long time, or, I guess, like the stars, just always been there, somehow. Before this planet was formed, God was there. So, if we could get an answer from this God of our planet, it certainly should contain knowledge beyond our reach, eh?

    I don't know that answer. I know another I could ask, but I have never heard him talk about it, but he's smarter than me, so he doesn't yap as much as I do. Maybe he knows. At any rate, I'm pretty sure science doesn't know, even if some THINK they know, they still don't know. I was never one to care either way, contact isn't happening in my lifetime, at least, not with an actual planet out there. (worm holes, shurm holes, the theory might be fine and dandy but no one has produced a working portal, other than saying it secretly exists, yeah, sure it does) Any contact down here is with terrestrial life, duh. And this is worth looking into, because we definitely have watchers watching us, so at least there's something real there, right in front of us. But I'm very skeptical when it comes to my fellow human's translations of messages supposedly from the watchers, any species that can produce car salesmen is not to be trusted.

    What science wants us to do, is imagine that life, in our form, is a naturally occurring thing... all you need is the same elements, same temps, a world spinning in the right proportion to its mass, and voila, life pops up. Like it does here. And this is the crux of the matter; they are observing life on this planet and imagining - and looking - for that to happen on other worlds. I'm not of the opinion that life is itself some kind of automatic self creating substance. I'm a little more flexible than those who say life only comes from my God, period. Because maybe their God isn't as snobbish as his spokespeople tend to be. Maybe he (God) can't help himself and just creates life willy nilly every time he sees a world that feels right. Or maybe he felt like creating a bunch of worlds and building life on them and didn't tell his snobs on this planet. or maybe he built very different worlds with very different forms of life on them, maybe some star out there has some life form that needs a million degrees to stay alive. Who knows how precocious this God was when we weren't watching? Maybe science doesn't know exactly what to look for or where to look? And maybe science has its own snobs, because why doesn't NASA tell us about that ancient satellite in polar orbit that they have pictures of - fer crying out loud.

    So then. At least, now, we have examined the entire picture. And that is what science is trying to do. Science is obsessed with creation, science can not accept that the stars were always out there, they know stars form, die, and reform, but they still keep looking for a beginning and an end. Here's where the scriptures might help. God has no beginning or end. So why not the stars also? and the planets? just dust in the solar wind. Pretty tough to nail down that dust. But the good thing about science is that it keeps searching, there is no absolute truth in science, it is a journey that never ends. So keep searching guys, and keep an open mind to faith, because you are going to need it on that journey.
     
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    If you want to search for our very ancient beginnings, maybe the best portal to the ancient, ancient past is Peru. In Peru you have the mother of all civilizations - the Pacific continent of Mu (also called Lemuria) - establishing what would be a front line colony to their east, so it is very direct connection to the lost sunken continent that was the oldest center of spiritual, cultural, and technological powers of mankind.

    You can access the sacred texts here:
    VIRACOCHA AND THE COMING OF THE INCAS (Link)

    and here is the best video I've found to introduce the mysteries of the region:


     
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    If you want to get some context on what actually exists out there... caution: you will never believe in the big bang theory again... take 7 minutes out of your life to put your entire life into perspective; watch this video (no speaking):

    Star Size Comparison 2
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