California is breaking records....

[EatTheRich]

It is not my job or interest to approach "public health" as anything other than what it is . A collection of people and individual behaviors that create health problems for those people.
In some cases - like diseases that are transmitted by casual contact - there is a certain amount of Gov't intervention and/or recommendation that may be appropriate. But when one can avoid exposure - by avoiding a very specific non casual activity - then it is up to that person - to moderate their own behavior. It is not my obligation to risk a vaccination - so that other people don't risk infection because the vaccine is not effective. But to the extent that it is not effective - it is MORE effective - to merely not engage in the kind of activities - ie having sex with an infected person - than to have the vaccine.

So, as I said, your reason for opposing the vaccine is so you can try to scare people into adopting your standards of appropriate sexual behavior.

 

[connieb]

Good luck with that irresponsible expectation.

Thanks. It worked for my parents and my husband's parent's. So I am confident that given the lessons we have imparted and intend to impart, it will work for our children.

 

[EatTheRich]

Thanks. It worked for my parents and my husband's parent's. So I am confident that given the lessons we have imparted and intend to impart, it will work for our children.

Never logging on to the Internet worked for my grandparents. Therefore, it will work for my children

 

[connieb]

So, as I said, your reason for opposing the vaccine is so you can try to scare people into adopting your standards of appropriate serial behavior.

No, I have no idea where you got that from my post.

I don't "oppose the vaccine". I oppose mandatory requiring of a vaccine. I oppose all mandatory requirements but find the argument for for mandating one for a disease which is not readily and easily communicable by causal contact particularly specious.

How other people conduct their personal affairs and their sex lives, is of no interest nor is it of any concern to me. But I catgorically reject the idea becuase OTHER people are inmmoral and engage in lewd and or plain irresponsible behaviors that I must do something - in this case vaccinate my children - to protect others. Sorry. No thanks.

I do oppose giving my children the vaccine before they are of age to understand the risks and consent to it themselves. Will that be 18? Generally that is the age they can go and get it without my permission. Will it be younger? Perhaps if they are otherwise mature and show good judgement and well thought out arguments. Either way that is between me and my children. You are free to raise your kids however you want. Regardless in the end, none of this is a risk to anyone else - if they modify their behavior. That is not "scaring" anyone. It is pointing out - appropriately - that it is the behaviors that create the risks. As in all actions the decisions to have sex can have life threatening and life altering consequences. Regardless of HPV which has a miniscule risk of becoming anything serious - sex itself is fraught with risks and life long consequences. If one is not capable of making informed consent and dealing with all the potential risks and life long impacts of their decisions, they are not capable of consent. To the extent that they are - they can then decide for themselves if the vaccine is a good choice for them. Their call. I couldn't care less either way what they decide.

 

[connieb]

Never logging on to the Internet worked for my grandparents. Therefore, it will work for my children

Um... what? I am talking about raising children to make good decisions about their sexual activity. And - um... my grandparents have all used the internet....

 

[Drumcollie]

record levels of STD's that is. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/chlamydia-gonorrhea-syphilis-rates-hit-new-high-in-california/ar-AAxhXzn

How about a collective EEEWWWWW!

Wow explains why my Obamacare based out of California sucks. Got a chest cold made an appointment for a doctor when I first got sick and they scheduled me for June 14 that was 4 weeks ago. The company is 1.3 billion in debt. Oh and here is the kicker...The plan will not allow me to change my appointment to a sooner date.

Advisory:

1. Check the financial health of the company you wish to obtain healthcare from and make sure they are greedy bastards that have a profit margin

2. Make sure that you can use the healthcare if you buy it before, because if you buy Obamacare, you cannot change till next year, which explains why Obamacare doesn't sell real insurance.

 

[BitterPill]

There is nothing wrong with an Amish household nor with homeschooling, though we do neither. I am forever surprised though at how the left readily disparages the life choices and habits of others and then have the audacity to call themselves "tolerant." Its like they can not stand for people to not be dupes and followers and jump on their bandwagon.

I just want to say I really admire your hypocrisy. You are my hero for this hour.

MAGA forever, baby!

 

[connieb]

I just want to say I really admire your hypocrisy. You are my hero for this hour.

MAGA forever, baby!

What is hypocritical? I don't claim to be tolerant.

 

[marvin martian]

If you don't need to scare your kids, what is your objection to having them vaccinated?

The HPV vaccine is linked to increased risk of cervical cancer and sudden onset of autoimmune disorders in girls. It's dangerous but was pushed heavily by Big Pharma and their lackeys at the DNC. If the DNC told parents to have their daughters circumcised, most would do it because that's what Hillary wants.

 

[EatTheRich]

1. No, I have no idea where you got that from my post.

I don't "oppose the vaccine". I oppose mandatory requiring of a vaccine. I oppose all mandatory requirements but find the argument for for mandating one for a disease which is not readily and easily communicable by causal contact particularly specious.

How other people conduct their personal affairs and their sex lives, is of no interest nor is it of any concern to me. But I catgorically reject the idea becuase OTHER people are inmmoral and engage in lewd and or plain irresponsible behaviors that I must do something - in this case vaccinate my children - to protect others. Sorry. No thanks.

I do oppose giving my children the vaccine before they are of age to understand the risks and consent to it themselves. Will that be 18? Generally that is the age they can go and get it without my permission. Will it be younger? Perhaps if they are otherwise mature and show good judgement and well thought out arguments. Either way that is between me and my children. You are free to raise your kids however you want. Regardless in the end, none of this is a risk to anyone else - if they modify their behavior. That is not "scaring" anyone. It is pointing out - appropriately - that it is the behaviors that create the risks. As in all actions the decisions to have sex can have life threatening and life altering consequences. Regardless of HPV which has a miniscule risk of becoming anything serious - sex itself is fraught with risks and life long consequences. If one is not capable of making informed consent and dealing with all the potential risks and life long impacts of their decisions, they are not capable of consent. To the extent that they are - they can then decide for themselves if the vaccine is a good choice for them. Their call. I couldn't care less either way what they decide.

The government (optimally) requires you get vaccinated for the same reason it requires you don't poop on the sidewalk. If you don't get vaccines on a schedule recommended by mainstream medical professionals, you are being irresponsible. Period.

Many people have sex before they are of a reasonable or legal age of consent. You are advocating that a preventable virus which can cause deadly cancers be added to the list of other potential consequences, only so that you can use it to scare people who (as stipulated) cannot be counted on to make responsible decisions.

 

[EatTheRich]

Um... what? I am talking about raising children to make good decisions about their sexual activity. And - um... my grandparents have all used the internet....

The point is, times change and people's behavior changes with them.

 

[BitterPill]

What is hypocritical? I don't claim to be tolerant.

Your intolerance coupled with your hypocrisy is a powerful and virtuous combination.

MAGA!

 

[Drumcollie]

No, I have no idea where you got that from my post.

No one knows. He is trying to crush all opposition to his ideals like Hitler did, because both he and Hitler are (in ETR's case), or were socialist (as in Hitler's case.)He is trying to make you look like you do not care about people, and then he will claim he is not like Hitler but a Leninist(Ленинской) like Pol Pot who killed 3 million of his own people.

I apologize for ETR's remarks. It is no way to treat anyone, much less a lady. Sometimes I think ETR know how to treat a lady with proper respect. He should man up and apologize, and if he is going to want equality and he thinks he is a she, an apology is still warranted.

No it's not my job but it is warranted and lefty won't do it. So in order for us to have some decorum in the forum and hope stop lefty from faking what you said, here it goes.

 

[connieb]

The government (optimally) requires you get vaccinated for the same reason it requires you don't poop on the sidewalk. If you don't get vaccines on a schedule recommended by mainstream medical professionals, you are being irresponsible. Period.

Many people have sex before they are of a reasonable or legal age of consent. You are advocating that a preventable virus which can cause deadly cancers be added to the list of other potential consequences, only so that you can use it to scare people who (as stipulated) cannot be counted on to make responsible decisions.

Ridiculous. It is not irresponsible to make your own specific health determinations based on your own health history. Those medical professionals approve shit that gets recalled ALL The TIME and rewrite their advice ALL THE TIME. The dupes who follow blindly along are ignorant and put their own lives at risk.

If people are having sex before a reasonable age of consent - seems to me THAT is a public health issue that the Gov't ought to be addressing, not enabling more of the same by making the act "consequence free".

 

[EatTheRich]

The HPV vaccine is linked to increased risk of cervical cancer and sudden onset of autoimmune disorders in girls. It's dangerous but was pushed heavily by Big Pharma and their lackeys at the DNC. If the DNC told parents to have their daughters circumcised, most would do it because that's what Hillary wants.

"Big Pharma" has to be paid to develop vaccines because they are almost always unprofitable in and of themselves. The insurance companies subsidize vaccination because more vaccinations mean fewer people getting sick which means fewer claims for the insurance companies to pay out. You'll have to back up the claim in your first sentence and also appreciate that it's a matter of relative risk.

 

[connieb]

Your intolerance coupled with your hypocrisy is a powerful and virtuous combination.

MAGA!

By all means point out what I said which was hypocritical.

 

[BitterPill]

No one knows. He is trying to crush all opposition to his ideals like Hitler did, because both he and Hitler are (in ETR's case), or were socialist (as in Hitler's case.)He is trying to make you look like you do not care about people, and then he will claim he is not like Hitler but a Leninist(Ленинской) like Pol Pot who killed 3 million of his own people.

I apologize for ETR's remarks. It is no way to treat anyone, much less a lady. Sometimes I think ETR know how to treat a lady with proper respect. He should man up and apologize, and if he is going to want equality and he thinks he is a she, an apology is still warranted.

No it's not my job but it is warranted and lefty won't do it. So in order for us to have some decorum in the forum and hope stop lefty from faking what you said, here it goes.

Your utter and complete virtuosity is a wonder to behold.

And a hearty MAGA to you.

 

[Drumcollie]

The point is, times change and people's behavior changes with them.

Doesn't it make what you are choosing correct. The bible is 200 years old and it still answers todays questions.

Time doesn't change, it is just another version of the same thing. Today we see parents just as concerned for their children as we did 200 years ago. The difference is the influence lefty is trying to have on your children to make sure they are dead sooner or aborted.

 

[EatTheRich]

No one knows. He is trying to crush all opposition to his ideals like Hitler did, because both he and Hitler are (in ETR's case), or were socialist (as in Hitler's case.)He is trying to make you look like you do not care about people, and then he will claim he is not like Hitler but a Leninist(Ленинской) like Pol Pot who killed 3 million of his own people.

I apologize for ETR's remarks. It is no way to treat anyone, much less a lady. Sometimes I think ETR know how to treat a lady with proper respect. He should man up and apologize, and if he is going to want equality and he thinks he is a she, an apology is still warranted.

No it's not my job but it is warranted and lefty won't do it. So in order for us to have some decorum in the forum and hope stop lefty from faking what you said, here it goes.

Pol Pot was not a Leninist. He was a science denier though ...

 

[EatTheRich]

Ridiculous. It is not irresponsible to make your own specific health determinations based on your own health history. Those medical professionals approve shit that gets recalled ALL The TIME and rewrite their advice ALL THE TIME. The dupes who follow blindly along are ignorant and put their own lives at risk.

If people are having sex before a reasonable age of consent - seems to me THAT is a public health issue that the Gov't ought to be addressing, not enabling more of the same by making the act "consequence free".

I agree, which is why I think the government should take appropriate steps to break down the family which is the main locus of statutory rape.

Yes, medical professionals are constantly fine-tuning their advice based on the evidence ... to their credit.