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Discussion in 'Economics, Business, and Taxes' started by Richard Hammond, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. NightSwimmer

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    Thanks. You really should get out more. It's a big country. There is no conspiracy to reduce MPG. There is no magic carburetor. To get high mileage with an internal combustion engine, you need a small, very aerodynamic car. If you think that there is so much market demand for these cars, then why not sell them yourself?

    Most of the high mileage diesels in Europe are turbocharged. I don't want to own a turbocharged engine. It is more efficient, but less reliable.
     
  2. NightSwimmer

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    The standards were recently raised to 45 MPG, if I'm not mistaken. It is the auto industry, not the oil companies, who oppose mileage standards. They don't want to be forced to discontinue production of large vehicles that Americans want. I choose to drive small, fuel efficient vehicles myself. Always have. Still, I can't control the preferences of others.
     
  3. NightSwimmer

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    I know that isn't true, because I actually have traveled all over the country. Diesel isn't readily available in many areas. It is on the Interstate Highway, wherever you go. But everyone doesn't live near an Interstate.
     
  4. Richard Hammond

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    Again as I say, put cars that get 75 MPG up for sale in the USA & watch'em go
     
  5. Richard Hammond

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    The onlt people I have actually seen complain about it are Mitt & his cohorts on the right. I only saw that on the news.
     
  6. Richard Hammond

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    name a town & I'll search for diesel in said town.
     
  7. NightSwimmer

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    That's not the point. If you live in an area in which most gas stations don't have diesel, then it's an inconvenience.
     
  8. degsme

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    Yes that small town is called... Seattle.

    You asked a question. I answered it factually and supportabley but with an answer you did not like. And so you attacked me.... What is it that Socrates said about that? Oh yeah... check my signature.
     
  9. degsme

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    Um we have them. They sell... just not that well.
     
  10. degsme

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    Perhaps thats true in the small eco-friendly commune you live in (see how nice it feels to get dissed that way)???
     
  11. Richard Hammond

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    All Americans would handle an inconvience when getting double milage, or are you saying Americans are so lazy & rich that they'll payy 100.00 bucks to fill a tank & go 300 miles, when the could pay the same 100 & go 600 miles.

    I know they woan't if given the choice, we're all to broke to just piss away money on gas when we could double our milage & as I said there is not 1 gas station in any of the towns I visit that don't sell diesel.

    Which is why I suspect yu don't want to name any towns, because I could show how abundant easily availabe diesel is.

    & the subject was always about why over in europe & the uk, it's easy to get a great & huge selection of cars that get 75 or more MPGs & these aren't little cracker boxes as the uninformed always like to assume they are.

    But I can continue this tomorrow as its my bedtime.

    Goodnight.
     
  12. degsme

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    Yes many are willing to pay $50 more to go 300 miles in much greater perceived comfort.

    That's what the market tells us.

    Europe's car selection is no greater than the USA. in many ways less. its just a different mix. Just like Grocery store in Greenwich Village will have a different mix of goods than one in Scarsdale (scarsdale will have 6 kinds of Pampers and Greenwich Village will have 13 kinds of import beer).

    There are high milage cars in the USA... they don't sell well.
     
  13. Richard Hammond

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    Really name some & compare them to those available accross the ocean
     
  14. degsme

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    Again... 75 mpg is diesel hybrid. We explained why diesel's don't sell in the USA. VW tried selling them in the 80s.. they flopped.

    I suspect I've been to europe and talked to more "euros" than you have... (hint I speak three european languages and my partner is a Parisienne)...

    You just don't know what you are talking about.
     
  15. Richard Hammond

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    VW Passat in Europe 78.5 MPG
    UK Toyota Prius 72.4 MPG
    UK Ford Fiesta ECOnetic – 65 MPG

    the list goes on & on, but surely you get the point
     
  16. Richard Hammond

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    This aint the 80s no more, people are broke. Put'em on the maket & watch'em fly off the show room floor.

    Of course big oil ain't gonna let that happen & let their sales be slashed by up to 50%, they pay to much for the politicians like richard dick cheney that they own for that to happen.


    BTW did we ever get the info on the secret meeting Cheney had with big oil when they set our energy policies?


    oh thats right,,,,, no we didn't.


    & again its bedtime.

    goodnight
     
  17. Richard Hammond

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    lets not forget Jaguar



    Jaguar XJ_e: 60 MPG Luxury Plug-In Enters Future Car Challenge
     
  18. Days

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    I think there's a huge demand in America for fuel efficient cars... and I sold cars.

    If they build it in Europe, they can build it here. Ford has been doing this forever; Ford was the luxury auto-maker of Europe while in America it was FixOrRepairDaily.

    The same globalist banksters on Wall Street who are squeezing housing and tossing millions of Americans into the street, own the oil corps... its a controlled market and those are the kind of people who control it. degs doesn't understand that. degs thinks that a fiat currency is no different than real money and if you try to explain the real world to degs, he thinks you are floating a conspiracy theory. But he's a damn good lawyer.
     
  19. OldGaffer

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    I dont "buy into" conspiracy theories that have no foundation other than a fevered imagination. My 40 years in the car business tells me that if you were correct, I couldnt keep these cars in stock and I would have a huge backlog of sold orders.

    Better gas mileage than any of the Euro Diesels you are pimping, and yet I have a couple in stock and even with a super cheap lease, they are not "flying off the shelf". GM owns Opel and is one of the top selling mfg in Europe. The Buick Regal, the Chevy Cruze, both designed and engineered in Europe. If you want decent gas mileage at an affordable price, a Chevy Cruze ECO will get you 42 MPG and rides like a dream, with plenty of power and acceleration.
     
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