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Chris Kyle is only a hero if you don't compare him to the rest

Spamature

President
Turing and Hawking don't fit the criteria of heroic in any sense. Just living life is not heroic. No more than this jail bird calling for help for a corrections officer suffering a heart attack.

I think both Turing and Hawking fit the definition of hero. In addition Turing fits the definition of a war hero.

he·ro
ˈhirō/
noun
noun: hero; plural noun: heroes; noun: hero sandwich; plural noun: hero sandwiches
1
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a person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities
 
I think both Turing and Hawking fit the definition of hero. In addition Turing fits the definition of a war hero.

he·ro
ˈhirō/
noun
noun: hero; plural noun: heroes; noun: hero sandwich; plural noun: hero sandwiches
1
.
a person, typically a man, who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities

Progressive definitions don't count. Bravery and courage are intrinsic to being a hero.

noun, plural heroes;
1.a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deed sand noble qualities
 

fairsheet

Senator

I know this may sound a little ..shall I say..judgemental, but virtually ALL of Islam - Islamicist or other, is taught from birth, that Israel and the Jewish people are the root of all evil. Imagine if WE - all Americans - were taught that we needed to unanimously hate on any specific person, much less an entire group of people?

For what it's worth by the way, Islam doesn't necessarily hate we Americans, except to the extent we ally ourselves with Israel. And also for what it's worth, I'd gladly die at the hands of some crazy-assed Islamicist, before I would toss Israel out of the lifeboat.
 

Spamature

President
Progressive definitions don't count. Bravery and courage are intrinsic to being a hero.

noun, plural heroes;
1.a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deed sand noble qualities
Turing and Hawking weren't distinguished in their abilities ? Hawking didn't show courage ? Turing didn't save the lives of millions of people in his war efforts ?
 

afella

Mayor
Bingo! In the perspective, as narrow as it might be, under which he performed a duty that saved the lives of specific people and almost assuredly to the friends and families of those people. He is a hero. In the same respect the other subjects of this year's nominated biopics have their detractors. A King was certainly not a hero to man people during his time. Turing as a status as homosexual outweighed his contribution to his nation and others. And Hawking goal as an atheist to disprove the existence of God would certainly bode against his being a hero in the eyes a great number of people.

Thought it was the required, and accurate response. A couple of other additions to your list. Hitler to neo Nazi groups, Osama Bin Laden to radical jihadists, etc. The definition of a hero fits to those who agree with what the supposed hero has done. Nothing more. So in all reality there are no actual hero's, just people.
 

Arkady

President
When you look at the field of biopics up for best picture this year Chis Kyle of American Sniper is small potatoes. When it came to saving lives the Imitation Game's Alan Turing saved millions of soldier's lives. Selma's Martin Luther King day to day courage was on another level all together. Sure Kyle battled PTSD. But when you compare that with The Theory of Everything Stephen Hawking's battle with and triumph over ALS. PTSD is a walk in the park.

I am not downgrading Chis Kyle. I just find it strange that 4 biographies are up for best picture this year and the only story being talked about in terms of the heroism of their subjects is American Sniper.
One of the things that has really changed in the last decade or so is the extent to which EVERYTHING is getting politicized. There are now "lefty" foods (arugala and kale), and right-wing foods (chik-fil-a, beef). And movies are no different. There are increasing numbers of movies that are adopted as a kind of cultural acid test for the left and the right. American Sniper has been adopted by the right. Hollywood is very smart and knows how to manipulate this phenomenon. They play up the culture-war aspect of films like this (remember "Passion of the Christ"?), in order to get free word-of-mouth advertising.
 

AIL

Jet fuel that's a good one.
Personally I think there is a very good chance that Kyle was a douche but the fact he highly selectively killed enemies of our State while risking his life and his relationships does in fact make him heroic even in comparison to those you mention.

I don't see how Alan Turing or Stephen Hawking are heroic at all.
A lot of fiction in the Alan Turing movie for dramatic effects in the movie.. So too in this movie about a killer sniper.. just how much fiction it would be god to know because of all the noise about this movie. .


The real American Sniper was a hate-filled killer. Why are simplistic patriots treating him as a hero?
Clint Eastwood’s film about Navy Seal Chris Kyle has hit a raw nerve in America, with right wingers calling for the rape or death of anyone ungrateful enough to criticise his actions..
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/06/real-american-sniper-hate-filled-killer-why-patriots-calling-hero-chris-kyle?CMP=share_btn_fb

Like I said before Iraq and Iraqis were of no threat yet he felt they were savages and needed to be killed for no reason he shot people at large . Its like saying the fool that pushes the button that fires missiles at "suspects " that a kill far more innocent civilian then the so called "targets'
Just because someone is a 'target "does not mean this person is guilty of terror> Its just a label to justify (in the mind of America leaders ) random killings. To hell with any civilians in the vicinity..
Is the person the pushes the button that fires a powerful missiles a hero. Of course NOT so to for Chris Kyle he killed randomly and in the end he was also killed randomly...
Live by the sword die by the sword...
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AIL

Jet fuel that's a good one.
One of the things that has really changed in the last decade or so is the extent to which EVERYTHING is getting politicized. There are now "lefty" foods (arugala and kale), and right-wing foods (chik-fil-a, beef). And movies are no different. There are increasing numbers of movies that are adopted as a kind of cultural acid test for the left and the right. American Sniper has been adopted by the right. Hollywood is very smart and knows how to manipulate this phenomenon. They play up the culture-war aspect of films like this (remember "Passion of the Christ"?), in order to get free word-of-mouth advertising.
Funny how most of the right never served they were all chicken hawks. So any one that serves is a hero because they are cowards and they try to hide their cowardly hearts by championing heroes. Makes them feel like a hero just by saying the word hero but deep down inside they remain chicken hawks.
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Arkady

President
Funny how most of the right never served they were all chicken hawks. So any one that serves is a hero because they are cowards and they try to hide their cowardly hearts by championing heroes. Makes them feel like a hero just by saying the word hero but deep down inside they remain chicken hawks.
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I see it as a cynical exchange. The idea is that politicians on the right will throw away the lives of military personnel on half-baked foreign adventures that ultimately only serve the American aristocracy (opening up new oil fields or markets, undermining socialist movements, etc.) And, in exchange, they agree to pay all sorts of lip service to the supposed super-heroic natures of the soldiers. Basically: "we'll toss your life away to enrich ourselves, but in the meantime we'll drone on about your courage and thank you for your service." Meanwhile, the left wants to use the military much more sparingly, only in cases where undeniable critical national interests are at stake, or where the US is facing a genuine existential threat, or, at most, where there's some genocide ongoing that limited US involvement might stop. But, on the left, people aren't as cynical about giving the military lip service. And, human nature being what it is, most military personnel prefer those who hold them in utter contempt but pay them lip service, to those who actually value their lives but don't pay them the vocal tributes they feel they're due.
 

fairsheet

Senator
Good point.

Many regard Kyle as a hero. For some reason, that ticks off other people. Perhaps they could get over it?

If I gave a shit, I'd research this one back to its origin. I'm not so sure it's what you appear to feel that it is. Nevertheless - those who took the bait, are just as "guilty" as those who tossed it in the water in the first place.

As Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just say no!"
 

Zam-Zam

Senator
If I gave a shit, I'd research this one back to its origin. I'm not so sure it's what you appear to feel that it is. Nevertheless - those who took the bait, are just as "guilty" as those who tossed it in the water in the first place.

As Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just say no!"

There's definitely some truth to that. Maybe we can just all move along now.
 

write on

Senator
Turing lived in fear of being thrown in prison for who he was and in the end was even castrated by his own government. Hawking was told to he only had two years to live. And when it comes to putting yourself out there in the mist of an enemy who wants to kill you, you want to down grade King ?

Wow ?
As demonstrated by the resident wingnuts here, if it doesn't involve killing anyone, then you can't be a hero.

Myself, I think Nicholas Winton was more of a hero. He was and is England's Oskar Schindler. He didn't brag about what he did. It wasn't until 50 yrs. later that his bravery began to be told after his wife found his scrapbook in the attic of their home.

He's still alive today at the age of 105.

 

Spamature

President
One of the things that has really changed in the last decade or so is the extent to which EVERYTHING is getting politicized. There are now "lefty" foods (arugala and kale), and right-wing foods (chik-fil-a, beef). And movies are no different. There are increasing numbers of movies that are adopted as a kind of cultural acid test for the left and the right. American Sniper has been adopted by the right. Hollywood is very smart and knows how to manipulate this phenomenon. They play up the culture-war aspect of films like this (remember "Passion of the Christ"?), in order to get free word-of-mouth advertising.
Taking a page from the Tyler Perry book of movie making and promotion. Find a sizable audience that hasn't been catered to, feed them what they hunger for and they'll line up. Perry did it with Black women wanting to see a lead character espousing their point of view. Except American Sniper is at least a good movie but it is still that same kind of movie.
 
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Turing and Hawking weren't distinguished in their abilities ? Hawking didn't show courage ? Turing didn't save the lives of millions of people in his war efforts ?
No, Hawking showed a will to live (maybe even a fear to die).

Turing did not risk his life. You want a hero they must express courage in the form of potential loss of life or limb.

A HERO MUST RISK HMSELF OR HERSELF!!! A risk for others.
 
A lot of fiction in the Alan Turing movie for dramatic effects in the movie.. So too in this movie about a killer sniper.. just how much fiction it would be god to know because of all the noise about this movie. .


The real American Sniper was a hate-filled killer. Why are simplistic patriots treating him as a hero?
Clint Eastwood’s film about Navy Seal Chris Kyle has hit a raw nerve in America, with right wingers calling for the rape or death of anyone ungrateful enough to criticise his actions..
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/06/real-american-sniper-hate-filled-killer-why-patriots-calling-hero-chris-kyle?CMP=share_btn_fb

Like I said before Iraq and Iraqis were of no threat yet he felt they were savages and needed to be killed for no reason he shot people at large . Its like saying the fool that pushes the button that fires missiles at "suspects " that a kill far more innocent civilian then the so called "targets'
Just because someone is a 'target "does not mean this person is guilty of terror> Its just a label to justify (in the mind of America leaders ) random killings. To hell with any civilians in the vicinity..
Is the person the pushes the button that fires a powerful missiles a hero. Of course NOT so to for Chris Kyle he killed randomly and in the end he was also killed randomly...
Live by the sword die by the sword...
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He only sniped people who were armed combatants. Can you prove otherwise?
 
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