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Corporations Are Changing

OldTrapper

Council Member
Corporate America is changing not only in its attitude towards wages, but against the Trump policies on Climate Change. Not only are they increasing wages, it is climate change they are now supporting:

https://www.axios.com/the-big-corporate-shift-on-climate-change-1edea61e-ca43-4df9-a293-d42e00f08caa.html

Corporate America is calling on Congress to pass big climate policy in the most aggressive and united way since 2009.

Driving the news: Companies across virtually all sectors of the economy, including big oil producers, are beginning to lobby Washington, D.C., to put a price on carbon dioxide emissions.

A new coalition launched last week, a similar advocacy campaign is unveiling new corporate money today, and in yet another separate but parallel effort, executives from more than 75 companies will be on Capitol Hill this week lobbying on the issue.

The intrigue: This is happening against a tumultuous background that may not welcome such a shift.

On one side, President Trump outright dismisses climate change as a serious issue.

On the other, a loud chorus of environmentalists and progressive leaders, led by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, say big corporations — especially fossil-fuel producers — can’t be trusted.

Where it stands: Three separate but similar corporate-led campaigns are calling for an explicit price on carbon emissions.

3 big energy companies — Shell, BP and EDF Renewables — have committed new funding over the next 2 years, to a lobbying group, called Americans for Carbon Dividends. Shell and BP are offering $1 million each and EDF is promising $200,000. That group wants Congress to pass policy putting a tax (backers call it a fee) on carbon and returning the money raised to consumers. It already has funding from numerous other big companies, including ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips.

In a sign of the influence of investors, the nonprofit Ceres, which works on sustainable investments, is organizing a lobbying push this week with more than 75 companies, including BP, Microsoft and Tesla.
A new coalition of more than a dozen major corporations and four environmental groups launched last week to urge Congress to pass legislation putting a price on CO2 emissions.

“They see a rising public demand for action and they’re smart enough to know this extreme denial of the Trump era will not last and may be coming to a halt in 2020,” said David Doniger, a strategic director at the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group not officially connected to any of these new campaigns.

The big picture: Several years-long trends are driving corporations to ask for government policy — but it’s not really about saving the planet. It’s about investor and legal pressure, falling prices for renewable energy, new bounties of cleaner-burning natural gas and growing public concern about a warming planet’s impacts.
The fervor around the Green New Deal, backed by AOC and Sanders, has accelerated this shift among businesses, which are worried about the far-reaching impacts of that progressive proposal.
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
Corporate America is changing not only in its attitude towards wages, but against the Trump policies on Climate Change. Not only are they increasing wages, it is climate change they are now supporting:

https://www.axios.com/the-big-corporate-shift-on-climate-change-1edea61e-ca43-4df9-a293-d42e00f08caa.html

Corporate America is calling on Congress to pass big climate policy in the most aggressive and united way since 2009.

Driving the news: Companies across virtually all sectors of the economy, including big oil producers, are beginning to lobby Washington, D.C., to put a price on carbon dioxide emissions.

A new coalition launched last week, a similar advocacy campaign is unveiling new corporate money today, and in yet another separate but parallel effort, executives from more than 75 companies will be on Capitol Hill this week lobbying on the issue.

The intrigue: This is happening against a tumultuous background that may not welcome such a shift.

On one side, President Trump outright dismisses climate change as a serious issue.

On the other, a loud chorus of environmentalists and progressive leaders, led by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, say big corporations — especially fossil-fuel producers — can’t be trusted.

Where it stands: Three separate but similar corporate-led campaigns are calling for an explicit price on carbon emissions.

3 big energy companies — Shell, BP and EDF Renewables — have committed new funding over the next 2 years, to a lobbying group, called Americans for Carbon Dividends. Shell and BP are offering $1 million each and EDF is promising $200,000. That group wants Congress to pass policy putting a tax (backers call it a fee) on carbon and returning the money raised to consumers. It already has funding from numerous other big companies, including ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips.

In a sign of the influence of investors, the nonprofit Ceres, which works on sustainable investments, is organizing a lobbying push this week with more than 75 companies, including BP, Microsoft and Tesla.
A new coalition of more than a dozen major corporations and four environmental groups launched last week to urge Congress to pass legislation putting a price on CO2 emissions.

“They see a rising public demand for action and they’re smart enough to know this extreme denial of the Trump era will not last and may be coming to a halt in 2020,” said David Doniger, a strategic director at the Natural Resources Defense Council, an environmental group not officially connected to any of these new campaigns.

The big picture: Several years-long trends are driving corporations to ask for government policy — but it’s not really about saving the planet. It’s about investor and legal pressure, falling prices for renewable energy, new bounties of cleaner-burning natural gas and growing public concern about a warming planet’s impacts.
The fervor around the Green New Deal, backed by AOC and Sanders, has accelerated this shift among businesses, which are worried about the far-reaching impacts of that progressive proposal.
Democrats don't believe climate change is real. There are two things we could do today that would have a dramatic effect on carbon emissions and not wreck our economy, and you oppose them both. Nuclear power and fracking for natural gas and replacing coal plants with natural gas.

Democrats know what climate change is for you. Socialism. Just read the Green New Deal. It's a road map to a socialist economy, not a green one. It's the Red New Deal
 
Democrats don't believe climate change is real. There are two things we could do today that would have a dramatic effect on carbon emissions and not wreck our economy, and you oppose them both. Nuclear power and fracking for natural gas and replacing coal plants with natural gas.

Democrats know what climate change is for you. Socialism. Just read the Green New Deal. It's a road map to a socialist economy, not a green one. It's the Red New Deal
Burning Natural gas still gives off c02. which contributes to climate change.
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
Burning Natural gas still gives off c02. which contributes to climate change.
Yes, but it's a small fraction of the CO2 that coal plants give off. That's the problem with the left. You want perfect, even if it doesn't exist. Natural gas would dramatically cut our carbon emissions. Here's how you know that's what I meant. It's what I said. See how that works?
 
I was going to say money, but that works as well. I also think some of it is more devious. Large
corporations know compliance costs can put smaller operators or of business.
If a small operator business is destroying the environment they shouldn't be in business anyways.
I am not sympathetic to polluters based on the size of their operation.
 
Yes, but it's a small fraction of the CO2 that coal plants give off. That's the problem with the left. You want perfect, even if it doesn't exist. Natural gas would dramatically cut our carbon emissions. Here's how you know that's what I meant. It's what I said. See how that works?
At this point, its going to take "perfect" to prevent the state of Florida from being underwater.
 
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If a small operator business is destroying the environment they shouldn't be in business anyways.
I am not sympathetic to polluters based on the size of their operation.
I don't need exactly disagree with that. But remember stuff like this the next time you feel the itch to complain about large corporations.
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
At this point, its going to take "perfect" to prevent the state of Florida from being underwater.
Exactly, you want a perfect solution that we don't have while you pass on non-perfect solutions we can do. And nuclear power is "perfect" zero emissions, and you oppose that too. It makes no sense.

And you do support a Green New Deal that is about socialism, not the environment, and a Paris Treaty that does nothing until 2030 and then reduces temperatures by a tiny fraction of a degree.

This is my point, Democrats don't believe in global warming. It's a socialism scam to you
 
Exactly, you want a perfect solution that we don't have while you pass on non-perfect solutions we can do. And nuclear power is "perfect" zero emissions, and you oppose that too. It makes no sense.

And you do support a Green New Deal that is about socialism, not the environment, and a Paris Treaty that does nothing until 2030 and then reduces temperatures by a tiny fraction of a degree.

This is my point, Democrats don't believe in global warming. It's a socialism scam to you
Nope, try harder.
 

OldTrapper

Council Member
Democrats don't believe climate change is real. There are two things we could do today that would have a dramatic effect on carbon emissions and not wreck our economy, and you oppose them both. Nuclear power and fracking for natural gas and replacing coal plants with natural gas.
Always willing to demonstrate your ignorance, and dishonesty.

Nuclear power should be replaced with Thorium. Much safer, and there is no waste to worry about.

Fracking still produces fossil fuel. Natural gas is far better then coal, but it is still a fossil fuel, and the contamination of the waterways from the process has yet to be solved.

Democrats know what climate change is for you. Socialism. Just read the Green New Deal. It's a road map to a socialist economy, not a green one. It's the Red New Deal
You think so since it does not give away the treasury to the 1%.
 

kaz

Small l libertarian
Always willing to demonstrate your ignorance, and dishonesty.

Nuclear power should be replaced with Thorium. Much safer, and there is no waste to worry about.
You just said we should replace nuclear power with nuclear power and called me ignorant. I'd ask if that was a joke, but you are one

Fracking still produces fossil fuel. Natural gas is far better then coal, but it is still a fossil fuel, and the contamination of the waterways from the process has yet to be solved
The "contamination of the waterways" is an urban myth.

And natural gas is far superior to coal, particularly when you compare the amount of power generated for the emissions as it burns hotter. You can also create combined cycle plants and get 50% more power for free (in emissions).

All leftists have are technologies that don't work. Replacing coal with nuclear and natural gas would be huge. Now you have nothing that works, can replace the power we have and doesn't destroy the economy



You think so since it does not give away the treasury to the 1%.
More Marxist class warfare rhetoric, Karl
 
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