Darth Cheney: 25% of our torture victims were innocent? Who cares?

[Bugsy McGurk]

When did we declare war anyhow?
I don't remember Obama getting a declaration of war approved in the Congress.

You seem to be conflating our tactical strikes on terrorists with declaring war against another nation.
When that logic doesn't hold, what's the justification for Obama's killing over 1,400 innocent people versus the waterboarding of three?

Another loser thread, more misplaced political hatred and faux outrage by a buffoon.

You know that authorizaion GWB had when bombing terrorists? The authorization you relied upon when GWB was doing it?

It didn't go away when Obama became president - it applies even for black, Dem presidents.

 

[resident_evil]

Bombing one's enemies is a war crime?

A "new rule" just for Obama?

;-)

Actually, absent a declared war, yes. sheeesh

 

[Dino]

You know that authorizaion GWB had when bombing terrorists? The authorization you relied upon when GWB was doing it?

It didn't go away when Obama became president - it applies even for black, Dem presidents.

Does an authorization for a use of force equate to declaring war on a foreign nation?

 

[UPNYA2]

You have an amazing knack f0r typing words without saying anything.

The law of averages says that, now and then, you will say something by accident while typings lots of words.

Nope.

;-)

Well buggy, there is a marked difference between one not saying anything and YOU not being capable of actually comprehending that which you have been presented with, as you of all folks should be aware.

Did you by chance have to wear a bicycle helmet while you were riding that short little bus, use only a spoon to protect yourself when eating, and write with those fist size crayons until you were all the way through school?

I have to ask because I know what my guess would be but I would like to be sure.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Actually, absent a declared war, yes. sheeesh

New rules!

We have a black, Dem president now.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Does an authorization for a use of force equate to declaring war on a foreign nation?

Of course not.

Obama is operating under the same authorization under which GWB operated when doing the same things.

Do you think there's a clause in it exempting black presidents?

;-)

 

[resident_evil]

We have a black, Dem president now.

Not as far as I'm concerned.

 

[SW48]

MORE THAN 50% of drone strikes innocent.

Liberals say: So what?

Nothing could more properly define the level of insanity and political hate than this topic:

The U.S. drone program under President Barack Obama reached its fifth anniversary on Thursday having tallied up an estimated death toll of at least 2,400 people.
As the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a U.K.-based non-profit, details on its website, five years ago the CIA conducted the first drone strikes of the Obama presidency. Although there were reports of suspected "militants" killed, at least 14 civilians also died that day.
After those initial mistakes, TBIJ notes, Obama rapidly ramped up the drone program in Pakistan and increased its use in Yemen and Somalia, two countries where al Qaeda affiliates expanded their presence during Obama's presidency.
Obama recently told The New Yorker that he "wrestle" with civilian casualties. But, he said, he has "a solemn duty and responsibility to keep the American people safe. That’s my most important obligation as President and Commander-in-Chief. And there are individuals and groups out there that are intent on killing Americans -- killing American civilians, killing American children, blowing up American planes."

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International issued a pair of reports in October fiercely criticizing the secrecy that shrouds the administration's drone program, and calling for investigations into the deaths of drone victims with no apparent connection to terrorism. In Pakistan alone, TBIJ estimates, between 416 and 951 civilians, including 168 to 200 children, have been killed.
Critics of the drone program generally acknowledge that most of the people killed in Pakistan were likely members of terrorist groups. But that has not pleased Pakistanis: Hakimullah Mehsud, a Pakistani Taliban leader, was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of civilians, but his death by drone in November prompted a wave of popular outrage over the incursion on national sovereignty.
The administration cut the number of drone strikes in Pakistan considerably after a May 2012 speech in which Obama promised tighter rules and greater transparency for the program. But America's drones keep flying. A December strike in Yemen -- reportedly conducted by the Pentagon's Joint Special Operations Command, not the CIA -- killed 12 civilians.
The drone war is under increasing scrutiny in the U.S. and abroad. A September U.N. report warned that drone warfare has the potential to greatly undermine global stability. And in October, for the first time, Congress heard firsthand accounts from the victims of an apparently botched drone strike.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/obama-drone-program-anniversary_n_4654825.html

The hate is 100% drawn on political lines.

If Obama had tortured (which we don't know if he has) he would get a pass from these same partisans.

I think you have to put yourself in the mindset after 9/11. There was a lot of fear and not the best judgement. But there have not been attacks since, no matter what the reason is that there haven't.

 

[Saladin2]

The hate is 100% drawn on political lines.

If Obama had tortured (which we don't know if he has) he would get a pass from these same partisans.

I think you have to put yourself in the mindset after 9/11. There was a lot of fear and not the best judgement. But there have not been attacks since, no matter what the reason is that there haven't.

The President has shut down the torture program...Wants to shut down that Gulag at Guantanamo....Yet it is Republicans that want to continue that atrocity...The President would hardly gets a "pass" by allowing torture

 

[Drumcollie]

The message from Fox Noise and el Rushbo has been sent forth - never talk about the GWB torture regime. Immediately try to change the subject. By all means, avoid any honest discussion of any issues.

Translation...Torture and killings of innocent civilians is wrong except when Obama does it....Then it is enhanced interrogation techniques...

 

[Drumcollie]

The President has shut down the torture program...Wants to shut down that Gulag at Guantanamo....Yet it is Republicans that want to continue that atrocity...The President would hardly gets a "pass" by allowing torture

what torture program?

Pelosi (May 14): The CIA briefed me only once on enhanced interrogation techniques in September 2002 in my capacity as ranking member of the Intelligence Committee. I was informed then that the Department of Justice opinions had concluded that the use of enhanced interrogation techniques were legal.

 

[Saladin2]

Enhanced Interrogation=Another Bullshit term for torture

 

[Drumcollie]

Why can't Bugsme ever get anything right...Arkady got one thing right

 

[Drumcollie]

Enhanced Interrogation=Another Bullshit term for torture

Bullshit term for torture=Another Saladin post that is completely wrong on all levels.

 

[Spamature]

MORE THAN 50% of drone strikes innocent.

Liberals say: So what?

Nothing could more properly define the level of insanity and political hate than this topic:

The U.S. drone program under President Barack Obama reached its fifth anniversary on Thursday having tallied up an estimated death toll of at least 2,400 people.
As the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a U.K.-based non-profit, details on its website, five years ago the CIA conducted the first drone strikes of the Obama presidency. Although there were reports of suspected "militants" killed, at least 14 civilians also died that day.
After those initial mistakes, TBIJ notes, Obama rapidly ramped up the drone program in Pakistan and increased its use in Yemen and Somalia, two countries where al Qaeda affiliates expanded their presence during Obama's presidency.
Obama recently told The New Yorker that he "wrestle" with civilian casualties. But, he said, he has "a solemn duty and responsibility to keep the American people safe. That’s my most important obligation as President and Commander-in-Chief. And there are individuals and groups out there that are intent on killing Americans -- killing American civilians, killing American children, blowing up American planes."

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International issued a pair of reports in October fiercely criticizing the secrecy that shrouds the administration's drone program, and calling for investigations into the deaths of drone victims with no apparent connection to terrorism. In Pakistan alone, TBIJ estimates, between 416 and 951 civilians, including 168 to 200 children, have been killed.
Critics of the drone program generally acknowledge that most of the people killed in Pakistan were likely members of terrorist groups. But that has not pleased Pakistanis: Hakimullah Mehsud, a Pakistani Taliban leader, was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of civilians, but his death by drone in November prompted a wave of popular outrage over the incursion on national sovereignty.
The administration cut the number of drone strikes in Pakistan considerably after a May 2012 speech in which Obama promised tighter rules and greater transparency for the program. But America's drones keep flying. A December strike in Yemen -- reportedly conducted by the Pentagon's Joint Special Operations Command, not the CIA -- killed 12 civilians.
The drone war is under increasing scrutiny in the U.S. and abroad. A September U.N. report warned that drone warfare has the potential to greatly undermine global stability. And in October, for the first time, Congress heard firsthand accounts from the victims of an apparently botched drone strike.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/obama-drone-program-anniversary_n_4654825.html

Drone strikes didn't start with Obama. So all you are doing is piling the killings of innocent people by bush&co on top of the innocent people they tortured. So what do you have to say about the innocent people they killed as well as the ones they tortured ? Please enlighten us.

 

[Dino]

Drone strikes didn't start with Obama. So all you are doing is piling the killings of innocent people by bush&co on top of the innocent people they tortured. So what do you have to say about the innocent people they killed as well as the ones they tortured ? Please enlighten us.

Not the point.
I'm not the one moralizing and making arbitrary ethical judgements like those on the crazed left. Some nuts found it torture to hear Bush has prisoners "suffering" renditions, or being cooped up in Gitmo, or being interrogated after kept in harsh conditions, or undergoing sleep deprivation. Now we hear Obama has done the same, but no lefty admits Obama tortures or is a <gasp!> "War criminal!"
And now more lefties are here decrying interrogations they deem "torture" while condoning drone strikes that kill literally thousands of innocent civilians. How can anyone miss that galactic ethical paradox?

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

Not the point.
I'm not the one moralizing and making arbitrary ethical judgements like those on the crazed left. Some nuts found it torture to hear Bush has prisoners "suffering" renditions, or being cooped up in Gitmo, or being interrogated after kept in harsh conditions, or undergoing sleep deprivation. Now we hear Obama has done the same, but no lefty admits Obama tortures or is a <gasp!> "War criminal!"
And now more lefties are here decrying interrogations they deem "torture" while condoning drone strikes that kill literally thousands of innocent civilians. How can anyone miss that galactic ethical paradox?

Huh?

Obama has also tortured people? That's gotta be one of your bolder whoppers.

 

[Saladin2]

Huh?

Obama has also tortured people? That's gotta be one of your bolder whoppers.

The President has shut down the torture chambers...and wants to shut down that gulag at Guantanamo....Right Wing War Mongers don't agree with the Drone strikes???...BULLSHIT

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

The President has shut down the torture chambers...and wants to shut down that gulag at Guantanamo....Right Wing War Mongers don't agree with the Drone strikes???...BULLSHIT

They agree with the drone strikes. Most of them do anyway.

They just love bitching and moaning - it's like they all took an oath to oppose everything Obama does, even if they support it.

;-)

 

[Saladin2]

They agree with the drone strikes. Most of them do anyway.

They just love bitching and moaning - it's like they all took an oath to oppose everything Obama does, even if they support it.

;-)

If the President announced he was stopping the Drone Strikes (which have pounded these Al Qeada thugs in their safe havens) ...These Republican Ass Wipes would scream and moan....