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Darth Cheney: 25% of our torture victims were innocent? Who cares?

Bugsy McGurk

President
If the President announced he was stopping the Drone Strikes (which have pounded these Al Qeada thugs in their safe havens) ...These Republican Ass Wipes would scream and moan....
Damn right.

It just pisses 'em off to see Obama nail OBL after GWB failed to do it, and it also pisses 'em off to see Obama snuffing these terrorist leaders left and right with drones.

They see what a competent Dem president does and it just drives 'em batty.

Battier.

;-)
 

Dino

Russian Asset
Huh?

Obama has also tortured people? That's gotta be one of your bolder whoppers.
Why? Because the definition of "torture" changes with the party affiliation (or is it color) of the president?

Or do you believe running from a question means you get to deny reality?
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
MORE THAN 50% of drone strikes innocent.

Liberals say: So what?

Nothing could more properly define the level of insanity and political hate than this topic:

The U.S. drone program under President Barack Obama reached its fifth anniversary on Thursday having tallied up an estimated death toll of at least 2,400 people.
As the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a U.K.-based non-profit, details on its website, five years ago the CIA conducted the first drone strikes of the Obama presidency. Although there were reports of suspected "militants" killed, at least 14 civilians also died that day.
After those initial mistakes, TBIJ notes, Obama rapidly ramped up the drone program in Pakistan and increased its use in Yemen and Somalia, two countries where al Qaeda affiliates expanded their presence during Obama's presidency.
Obama recently told The New Yorker that he "wrestle" with civilian casualties. But, he said, he has "a solemn duty and responsibility to keep the American people safe. That’s my most important obligation as President and Commander-in-Chief. And there are individuals and groups out there that are intent on killing Americans -- killing American civilians, killing American children, blowing up American planes."

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International issued a pair of reports in October fiercely criticizing the secrecy that shrouds the administration's drone program, and calling for investigations into the deaths of drone victims with no apparent connection to terrorism. In Pakistan alone, TBIJ estimates, between 416 and 951 civilians, including 168 to 200 children, have been killed.
Critics of the drone program generally acknowledge that most of the people killed in Pakistan were likely members of terrorist groups. But that has not pleased Pakistanis: Hakimullah Mehsud, a Pakistani Taliban leader, was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of civilians, but his death by drone in November prompted a wave of popular outrage over the incursion on national sovereignty.
The administration cut the number of drone strikes in Pakistan considerably after a May 2012 speech in which Obama promised tighter rules and greater transparency for the program. But America's drones keep flying. A December strike in Yemen -- reportedly conducted by the Pentagon's Joint Special Operations Command, not the CIA -- killed 12 civilians.
The drone war is under increasing scrutiny in the U.S. and abroad. A September U.N. report warned that drone warfare has the potential to greatly undermine global stability. And in October, for the first time, Congress heard firsthand accounts from the victims of an apparently botched drone strike.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/obama-drone-program-anniversary_n_4654825.html
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In his interview with Fox News (of course) Dick Cheney also took credit for starting the drone attacks. But I suppose when he and Shrub were using drones, it was 'intelligence". He also took credit for getting Osama bin Laden.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
Why? Because the definition of "torture" changes with the party affiliation (or is it color) of the president?

Or do you believe running from a question means you get to deny reality?
Nope. It was your boy GWB whose toadies "defined torture away."

But you digress, as always - what torture has Obama authorized?

Or maybe you want to retract that particular whopper?

;-)
 

Saladin2

Senator
Supporting Member
There have been innocents Killed in the Drone Strikes...But hardly 50%...Total Bullshit...The strikes have very effective in pounding these thugs and their sympathizers...The President has made No secret of the strikes unlike Bush and Cheney who denied they were ordering torture...
 

Spamature

President
Not the point.
I'm not the one moralizing and making arbitrary ethical judgements like those on the crazed left. Some nuts found it torture to hear Bush has prisoners "suffering" renditions, or being cooped up in Gitmo, or being interrogated after kept in harsh conditions, or undergoing sleep deprivation. Now we hear Obama has done the same, but no lefty admits Obama tortures or is a <gasp!> "War criminal!"
And now more lefties are here decrying interrogations they deem "torture" while condoning drone strikes that kill literally thousands of innocent civilians. How can anyone miss that galactic ethical paradox?
Where have you heard that this administration is torturing prisoners ?
 

Dino

Russian Asset
There have been innocents Killed in the Drone Strikes...But hardly 50%...Total Bullshit...The strikes have very effective in pounding these thugs and their sympathizers...The President has made No secret of the strikes unlike Bush and Cheney who denied they were ordering torture...
Bombings by Obama have killed close to if not more than 2,000 civilians. This is more than 50% civilian fatalities
 

oicu812

"Trust, but Verify"
The hate is 100% drawn on political lines.

If Obama had tortured (which we don't know if he has) he would get a pass from these same partisans.

I think you have to put yourself in the mindset after 9/11. There was a lot of fear and not the best judgement. But there have not been attacks since, no matter what the reason is that there haven't.
if you mean terrorist attacks sinse 9/11,,boston, and ft.hood come first to mind..both terror attacks that killed..
 

Dino

Russian Asset
He just spewed that whopper and walked away.

A hit-and-run liar.

;-)
LOL!.... I did??

Isn't this the topic you've been running from for days now?

I post the facts yet again, and you gave them.... (Oh no!!!) a "thumbs down."

GFY fabricator. Stop wasting everyone's time.
 

Bugsy McGurk

President
LOL!.... I did??

Isn't this the topic you've been running from for days now?

I post the facts yet again, and you gave them.... (Oh no!!!) a "thumbs down."

GFY fabricator. Stop wasting everyone's time.
Yes, you did.

And a liar you will be unless you tell us why you say Obama authorized torture.

Can you give that a go to try to salvage your - ahem - reputation?
 

BobbyT

Governor
The hate is 100% drawn on political lines.

If Obama had tortured (which we don't know if he has) he would get a pass from these same partisans.

I think you have to put yourself in the mindset after 9/11. There was a lot of fear and not the best judgement. But there have not been attacks since, no matter what the reason is that there haven't.
Torture is wrong. Period.
 

JuliefromOhio

President
Supporting Member
two thoughts.

Chuck Todd was a damn fool for giving that sociopath a platform.

Chuck Todd is brilliant for giving that sociopath a platform to admit to war crimes.
 

Saladin2

Senator
Supporting Member
two thoughts.

Chuck Todd was a damn fool for giving that sociopath a platform.

Chuck Todd is brilliant for giving that sociopath a platform to admit to war crimes.
Dick Cheney is a despicable bastard...Representing the worst side of America...One can only hope justice will prevail and this War Criminal will be tried and convicted...of his atrocities
 
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