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Dateline 17,000 BC: The First Global Warming Debate

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If you nailed me, where is your evidence of icing today? Don't use the polar caps, because their volume is not as significant as it was. More ice, as in caps and glaciers, is disappearing, and the oceans are rising. So if you nailed me, show me where.
Polar ice comes and goes. Temperatures fluctuate. Quit pissing your pants over it. Earth's climate is constantly changing.
 
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So you're going to go back 450,000 years, and say there's no change. How many glaciation periods happened during those spikes, and how often did the earth heat and environments change. I'll let you chew on that awhile.
There's nothing to chew on. Your "lets say" isn't based on reality- much like the rest of your climate change nonsense. The point is, Earth's temperatures rise and fall in a cyclical matter. The long term spike we are currently in is typical. Of course, it should be noted there were several spikes where higher temperatures were reached.

Yes, of course you'll want to babble about "let's say" fantasies and perhaps where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. The actual facts make your ranting a complete joke. So just to rub it in, look at the FACTS:



In the end, the real problem with pants-pissing climate change cultists like you is you don't understand that Earth's timeline is much longer than ours. You are working in a one cubic foot box when in fact the box is 10,000 cubic feet. The graph above is just one of the ways to at least try to educate you. Earth doesn't give a damn if Toledo reached record high temperatures. That would be like me worrying if one of the carbon atoms in my body was actually a carbon ion.

The beat down you've been getting from Capitalist (yes, other people are watching and laughing at you) on the definition of ice age. You can't even get that right.

But let's give it another try anyway. Based on the graph above, do you see a current crisis?
 
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What kind of chance did you EVER give capitalism!?

What's your rush? According to your own beliefs, this catastrophe is 200 years in the making. You can't afford a few decades to hash out the science to even determine IF anthropogenic global warming is real before you even determine IF capitalism should address the problem to begin with?

You never gave capitalism a chance!
Interesting.... his second attack on capitalism in one day. But I suspect he'd cry if we were to accuse him of being anti-capitalist.

Even funnier, let's entertain his notion. Capitalism has failed to address climate change. So socialism and/or communism will?

Laughable.
 
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Capitalist

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Interesting.... his second attack on capitalism in one day. But I suspect he'd cry if we were to accuse him of being anti-capitalist.

Even funnier, let's entertain his notion. Capitalism has failed to address climate change. So socialism and/or communism will?

Laughable.
Yeah. It's kind of an admission that he thinks despotism is preferable to freedom. All the stupid people of the world need to just get out of the way and knuckle under to the university professors and intellectual wanna-bees. He prides himself on looking like an intellectual even if he can't actually be one.

The worst behavior from politicians will be excused if it's all done "for the common good."
 

Wahbooz

Governor
The caps have to disappear completely for the earth to be out of an ice age. Why is this so weird and hard to understand?

Most of the earth's history has been spent without ice caps.
Wow, did you really spend all night long thinking that one up? We were discussing 'greenhouse earth', and you jump to the ending of an ice age. Am I to understand from this that you seem to think an ice age has to end before a 'greenhouse earth' can take place? Wow, again. Are you aware that a mere rise of 10F in global average temperature will create a hothouse effect? Note that greenhouses and hothouses are interchangable terms.

And most of the earths history was spent in hellish conditions not suitable to support life. So what? What does any of that have to do with my question.
 
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Capitalist

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Wow, did you really spend all night long thinking that one up? We were discussing 'greenhouse earth', and you jump to the ending of an ice age. Am I to understand from this that you seem to think an ice age has to end before a 'greenhouse earth' can take place? Wow, again. Are you aware that a mere rise of 10F in global average temperature will create a hothouse effect? Note that greenhouses and hothouses are interchangable terms.

And most of the earths history was spent in hellish conditions not suitable to support life. So what? What does any of that have to do with my question.
I don't think anyone can help you with your question.
 

Wahbooz

Governor
There is no (accurate) "average" global temperature:

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/temperatures.htm
Oh my (accurate). Average is the product of samplings, and as such is as accurate as the number of samples you have taken. From your link, Mr Desperate.

Fortunately there is an alternative, which is satellite surveillance. Microwave radiation from oxygen in the atmosphere is temperature dependent and therefore provides a convenient remote thermometer. Because the satellite orbit is continuously scanning the Earth’s surface like a television raster, it is equivalent to a very large number of well-distributed thermometers. As a result it produces a credible estimate of a global average temperature. The results cross calibrate well with data collected by balloons.
 
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Wahbooz

Governor
There's nothing to chew on. Your "lets say" isn't based on reality- much like the rest of your climate change nonsense. The point is, Earth's temperatures rise and fall in a cyclical matter. The long term spike we are currently in is typical. Of course, it should be noted there were several spikes where higher temperatures were reached.

Yes, of course you'll want to babble about "let's say" fantasies and perhaps where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. The actual facts make your ranting a complete joke. So just to rub it in, look at the FACTS:



In the end, the real problem with pants-pissing climate change cultists like you is you don't understand that Earth's timeline is much longer than ours. You are working in a one cubic foot box when in fact the box is 10,000 cubic feet. The graph above is just one of the ways to at least try to educate you. Earth doesn't give a damn if Toledo reached record high temperatures. That would be like me worrying if one of the carbon atoms in my body was actually a carbon ion.

The beat down you've been getting from Capitalist (yes, other people are watching and laughing at you) on the definition of ice age. You can't even get that right.

But let's give it another try anyway. Based on the graph above, do you see a current crisis?
Wow, you write a whole book just to say 'I have no idea'.
 
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Capitalist

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Wow, did you really spend all night long thinking that one up? We were discussing 'greenhouse earth', and you jump to the ending of an ice age. Am I to understand from this that you seem to think an ice age has to end before a 'greenhouse earth' can take place? Wow, again. Are you aware that a mere rise of 10F in global average temperature will create a hothouse effect? Note that greenhouses and hothouses are interchangable terms.

And most of the earths history was spent in hellish conditions not suitable to support life. So what? What does any of that have to do with my question.
Fix your definitions. Then we'll talk.
 

Wahbooz

Governor
Conversing with you is like conversing with a sloth.

Gets tedious after a while.
You were the one who wanted to discuss as if you were a genius, and yet you can't even respond to my question. What does that say about you, besides you're too lazy, or too far out of your environment, to respond. I think you found yourself on ground that is shaking under you and you don't know what else to do but change the topic.

Now.... we were on the greenhouse earth effect, not ice ages, unless you're saying the only way a greenhouse earth effect can only happen at the end of an ice age. So, what is it?
 
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Deleted member 21794

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Says the dumb and dumber brigade. That is not an answer to my question, and I suspect you have no idea how to answer.
Oh sure I do. And thanks for the opportunity to ridicule your silly, paranoid views once again. YOU SAID:

"If you nailed me, where is your evidence of icing today? Don't use the polar caps, because their volume is not as significant as it was."

I'll be happy to show you evidence of icing today. Unfortunately for you, you don't get to tell people what evidence they can or can't use. The only question is, did you try to exclude polar icing because you know Antarctic ice is at an all-time high?



http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum

But just for more fun at your expense, if "climate change" were caused by man and burning fossil fuels, why wouldn't both poles have less ice? Does the C02 just magically converge to the north, leaving the south cold? Is there a climate change fairy that forces the C02 north?

Hopefully by now you're scratching your head and considering my previous reply:

Polar ice comes and goes. Temperatures fluctuate. Quit pissing your pants over it. Earth's climate is constantly changing.
 
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