Demand the identity of

[Bugsy McGurk]

Impeachment isn't a criminal prosecution. So there's that.

And the whistleblower isn’t even a significant witness. So there’s that too.

;-)

 

[Zam-Zam]

Impeachment isn't a criminal prosecution. So there's that.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" is a phrase from Section 4 of Article Two of the United States Constitution: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors


So, there's that.

 

[ObamacareForever]

"High crimes and misdemeanors" is a phrase from Section 4 of Article Two of the United States Constitution: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors


So, there's that.

and Impeachment still isn't a criminal proceeding.

 

[Zam-Zam]

and Impeachment still isn't a criminal proceeding.

The President cannot be forcibly removed from office unless he is charged with a crime, which, of course, would constitute a criminal proceeding. If it is the goal of the Democratic Party to not charge him with a crime, and thereby not remove him from office, what is their endgame, in your opinion?

 

[ObamacareForever]

The President cannot be forcibly removed from office unless he is charged with a crime, which, of course, would constitute a criminal proceeding.

No, it wouldn't criminal proceedings are very different from impeachment. They are both clearly laid out in the constitution.
Criminal proceedings may follow impeachment, but they are 2 different things.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Ad hominems are a sign of a lost debate. Ad hominems don't refute the allegations in the complaint.

You don't understand American justice. The person making the claim has to prove it. No refutation is needed by the accused.

 

[Zam-Zam]

No, it wouldn't criminal proceedings are very different from impeachment. They are both clearly laid out in the constitution.
Criminal proceedings may follow impeachment, but they are 2 different things.

Which brings us back full circle.

The President cannot be removed from office unless he is charged with a crime.

If he is charged with a crime, he has the right to face his accuser.

If there is no intention of charging him with a crime.....What is this all about?

 

[ObamacareForever]

Which brings us back full circle.

The President cannot be removed from office unless he is charged with a crime.

If he is charged with a crime, he has the right to face his accuser.

If there is no intention of charging him with a crime.....What is this all about?

"High crimes and misdemeanors" are different from the crimes that you or I are charged with.
It covers things like "abuse of power" and misconduct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors

 

[ObamacareForever]

You don't understand American justice. The person making the claim has to prove it. No refutation is needed by the accused.

And congress will be making the allegations, not the whistleblower.

 

[Bugsy McGurk]

No, it wouldn't criminal proceedings are very different from impeachment. They are both clearly laid out in the constitution.
Criminal proceedings may follow impeachment, but they are 2 different things.

They sure liked it when Baghdad Barr said Trump, as president, can’t be prosecuted for crimes.

Now, not so much.

;-)

 

[Deleted member 21794]

And congress will be making the allegations, not the whistleblower.

The DNC leaker made allegations.

 

[ObamacareForever]

The DNC leaker made allegations.

Who is the DNC leaker?

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Who is the DNC leaker?

Eric Ciaramella

 

[Zam-Zam]

"High crimes and misdemeanors" are different from the crimes that you or I are charged with.
It covers things like "abuse of power" and misconduct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors

You seem to be avoiding the issue.

Anyway, it is quite clear that the President cannot be removed from office unless he is formally charged with a crime.

And, should that occur, he is accorded the same protections as any other accused person, including those afforded by the sixth amendment.

 

[ObamacareForever]

You seem to be avoiding the issue.

Anyway, it is quite clear that the President cannot be removed from office unless he is formally charged with a crime.

And, should that occur, he is accorded the same protections as any other accused person, including those afforded by the sixth amendment.

"Abuse of power" is not a crime. And It is certainly impeachable.

 

[Zam-Zam]

"Abuse of power" is not a crime. And It is certainly impeachable.

That appears to be incorrect:

Abuse of power, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct," is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_power

Unless it is your intent to argue that "commission of an unlawful act" is not criminal....

 

[ObamacareForever]

That appears to be incorrect:

Abuse of power, in the form of "malfeasance in office" or "official misconduct," is the commission of an unlawful act, done in an official capacity, which affects the performance of official duties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_power

Unless it is your intent to argue that "commission of an unlawful act" is not criminal....

No, the impeachable "abuse of power" is much broader.
If a president pardoned every serial killer in the US, it would be within his power. it would also constitute an abuse of power which is impeachable.

 

[Zam-Zam]

No, the impeachable "abuse of power" is much broader.
If a president pardoned every serial killer in the US, it would be within his power. it would also constitute an abuse of power which is impeachable.

Source?

 

[ObamacareForever]

Source?

Common Sense.
You don't think a president would be abusing his power by pardoning every serial killer in the US?

 

[Zam-Zam]

Common Sense.
You don't think a president would be abusing his power by pardoning every serial killer in the US?

So, no source.

Just you saying it.

"Commission of an unlawful act"....

And that's sourced.