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FakeName

Governor
No, they aren’t. Immigrants come into the country legally.

You need an education on the term.
"Illegals" is short hand for what?

That's right, you know......."Illegal immigrants".

They are "immigrants" who do not have the documents to be here legally.

No that you've been educated on the term, can we move on?
 

Nostra

Governor
"Illegals" is short hand for what?

That's right, you know......."Illegal immigrants".

They are "immigrants" who do not have the documents to be here legally.

No that you've been educated on the term, can we move on?
Immigrants are people who come to a country permanently.

Illegals can be sent back to their home country if they are caught.

Like I said, you need an education on the definition of immigrant. Don’t try to hang with your betters.
 

FakeName

Governor
Immigrants are people who come to a country permanently.

Illegals can be sent back to their home country if they are caught.

Like I said, you need an education on the definition of immigrant. Don’t try to hang with your betters.
Now you are just making stuff up.

They are "illegal immigrants". In other words, they are IMMIGRANTS who do not have the documents to be here legally.
 

Nostra

Governor
Now you are just making stuff up.

They are "illegal immigrants". In other words, they are IMMIGRANTS who do not have the documents to be here legally.
Let me educate you.....

From M-W


immigrant
noun
im·mi·grant | \ ˈi-mə-grənt \
Definition of immigrant


: one that immigrates: such as
a : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence
 

FakeName

Governor
Let me educate you.....

From M-W


immigrant
noun
im·mi·grant | \ ˈi-mə-grənt \
Definition of immigrant


: one that immigrates: such as
a : a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence
Yep.

And when they come without papers or overstay their temporary visa to stay permanently what are they?

You can say it......."illegal immigrants".
 

Nostra

Governor
Lol.

Believe that if it makes you feel better.

Doesn't change the rather obvious fact that "illegal immigrants" are indeed "immigrants".
Dude, you claimed I made up the meaning of immigrant. I brought the actual definition, which was exactly what I said it was.

Illegals are not here permanently, not do they go thru our immigration process.

You really are looking silly here.
 

FakeName

Governor
Dude, you claimed I made up the meaning of immigrant. I brought the actual definition, which was exactly what I said it was.

Illegals are not here permanently, not do they go thru our immigration process.

You really are looking silly here.
Dude. You claimed illegals aren't immigrants. They are.

Say someone has a temporary visa but decides they want to stay permanently. Now they are an illegal immigrant. If they get deported someday that doesn't mean they weren't an illegal immigrant.

Now do you understand?

You are misunderstanding the word permanent.

People that come here to live and raise a family are immigrants whether they come legally or not. If they end up moving or getting deported at some point that doesn't mean they didn't come here to live permanently, it doesn't mean they weren't immigrants.

Somebody that comes here temporarily, on vacation or a short work assignment with no intention of living here permanently, and leaves, is not an immigrant, legal or otherwise.

Now do you understand?
 

FakeName

Governor
So think about this.

What do you call someone on a temporary visa who decides to ignore the expiration date on their visa and live here permanently?

That is right, you call them an illegal immigrant.

Now let's say 12 years later this person gets caught and deported.....does that mean they weren't an illegal immigrant after all?

Of course not.

You are misunderstanding what the word permanent means in this context.

It does not require that the person live here forever, it means they intend to live here not just visit temporarily.

If it meant forever you could only label someone an immigrant retroactively after they die, because until then who knows if it will be permanent in your sense.

Now do you see?
 

NinaS

Senator
Supporting Member
You are SO naive.
I did a simple article summary here. And you
choose to see it as "fear" on my part.

Duly noted - your over-the-top reaction. It tells me that this article stepped on your toes eliciting the "nothing to see here" - type response.

I'm not surprised.
Your summary is from a very biased right wing source. I call it FAKE NEWS!!
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Fascism is a right wing political philosophy.

The left does not inflict a right wing philosophy on you.

The fact that you don't understand that is so Orwellian.

Facts matter.
Was Hitler a fascist? Because he sure wasn't a "right winger:"

Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.

Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism… How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist!


Because it seems inseparable from the social idea and we do not believe that there could ever exist a state with lasting inner health if it is not built on internal social justice, and so we have joined forces with this knowledge.

To put it quite clearly: we have an economic programme. Point No. 13 in that programme demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism. … the basic principle of my Party’s economic programme should be made perfectly clear and that is the principle of authority… the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me?… Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals any more; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

You rely on dictionaries produced by left wingers, that offer a very simplistic definition of "fascism" - "right wing" and "authoritarian." I have demonstrated that all such "definitions" are propaganda. Fascism can be either right wing or left wing - is Kim Jong Un a fascist? Was Pol Pot? What about Stalin? Mussolini himself pointed out, Joseph Stalin was “his very best student.”

Words do matter, and you are misusing this one.
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
The Latino contribution is continuing to be made. It was made by both legal and illegal hispanics in the past and it is ongoing.

And quit lying. Illegals do not inundate us with crime drugs and poverty.

Fact is they are a very low crime group. Far less likely to be involved in serious crime than other Americans. They are also way less likely to be involved in drugs. And they contribute more economically then they cost.

So quit with the lies.

Facts matter.
The FACT is that they are far less likely to be CAUGHT for a serious crime. The fact is we have no idea how many unsolved crimes are committed by illegals. It's quite likely that illegals, with no permanent address and often no family ties, if not caught in the act, are exceedingly likely to get away with it.
 

FakeName

Governor
Was Hitler a fascist? Because he sure wasn't a "right winger:"

Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.

Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism… How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist!


Because it seems inseparable from the social idea and we do not believe that there could ever exist a state with lasting inner health if it is not built on internal social justice, and so we have joined forces with this knowledge.

To put it quite clearly: we have an economic programme. Point No. 13 in that programme demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism. … the basic principle of my Party’s economic programme should be made perfectly clear and that is the principle of authority… the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me?… Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals any more; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

You rely on dictionaries produced by left wingers, that offer a very simplistic definition of "fascism" - "right wing" and "authoritarian." I have demonstrated that all such "definitions" are propaganda. Fascism can be either right wing or left wing - is Kim Jong Un a fascist? Was Pol Pot? What about Stalin? Mussolini himself pointed out, Joseph Stalin was “his very best student.”

Words do matter, and you are misusing this one.
You cited wiki.

Here you go.

The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (help·info), abbreviated NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party (English: /ˈnɑːtsi, ˈnætsi/),[7] was a far-right political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
 

FakeName

Governor
The FACT is that they are far less likely to be CAUGHT for a serious crime. The fact is we have no idea how many unsolved crimes are committed by illegals. It's quite likely that illegals, with no permanent address and often no family ties, if not caught in the act, are exceedingly likely to get away with it.
Don't just make stuff up.

Read the Cato source. All of it.
 
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