Estimate of excess deaths if Republicans get their way.

[Arkady]

If Trumpcare passes, there will be about 23 million more uninsured people, by the end of the decade, than would otherwise be uninsured. An earlier study found that lack of insurance correlated with about 45,000 deaths annually.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

At the time of that study, there were about 46 million uninsured, total. So, doing a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, that's about one extra death per year for every 1,022 uninsured people. Thus, driving the number who aren't insured up by 23 million would be anticipated to kill about 22,500 people per year.

To put that in terms of the kinds of deaths right-wingers actually care about, imagine if instead of dying statistical medical deaths from poor public policy, those people were dying in terrorist attacks. In that case, it would be like suffering a 9/11-magnitude attack every month and a half or so. Picture the Republicans hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers every month or two, year in and year out, and you've got a view of what this would look like for America, in terms of the impact on mortality.

 

[SW48]

If Trumpcare passes, there will be about 23 million more uninsured people, by the end of the decade, than would otherwise be uninsured. An earlier study found that lack of insurance correlated with about 45,000 deaths annually.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

At the time of that study, there were about 46 million uninsured, total. So, doing a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, that's about one extra death per year for every 1,022 uninsured people. Thus, driving the number who aren't insured up by 23 million would be anticipated to kill about 22,500 people per year.

To put that in terms of the kinds of deaths right-wingers actually care about, imagine if instead of dying statistical medical deaths from poor public policy, those people were dying in terrorist attacks. In that case, it would be like suffering a 9/11-magnitude attack every month and a half or so. Picture the Republicans hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers ever month or two, year in and year out, and you've got a view of what this would look like for America, in terms of the impact on mortality.

Any person can buy insurance.

 

[Jen]

Any person can buy insurance.

If Trumpcare passes, there will be about 23 million more uninsured people, by the end of the decade, than would otherwise be uninsured. An earlier study found that lack of insurance correlated with about 45,000 deaths annually.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

At the time of that study, there were about 46 million uninsured, total. So, doing a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, that's about one extra death per year for every 1,022 uninsured people. Thus, driving the number who aren't insured up by 23 million would be anticipated to kill about 22,500 people per year.

To put that in terms of the kinds of deaths right-wingers actually care about, imagine if instead of dying statistical medical deaths from poor public policy, those people were dying in terrorist attacks. In that case, it would be like suffering a 9/11-magnitude attack every month and a half or so. Picture the Republicans hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers ever month or two, year in and year out, and you've got a view of what this would look like for America, in terms of the impact on mortality.

I can't believe anyone would buy into this crap, @Arkady.

Why don't you do some research and give us the number of people under Obamacare who are paying monthly premiums for their Obamacare insurance, yet, can't use it because their deductible is in the thousands and any medical care they get, despite their monthly payment, would come right out of pocket.

Of course you aren't willing to give us those numbers because it screws up your narrative.

 

[connieb]

If Trumpcare passes, there will be about 23 million more uninsured people, by the end of the decade, than would otherwise be uninsured. An earlier study found that lack of insurance correlated with about 45,000 deaths annually.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

At the time of that study, there were about 46 million uninsured, total. So, doing a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, that's about one extra death per year for every 1,022 uninsured people. Thus, driving the number who aren't insured up by 23 million would be anticipated to kill about 22,500 people per year.

To put that in terms of the kinds of deaths right-wingers actually care about, imagine if instead of dying statistical medical deaths from poor public policy, those people were dying in terrorist attacks. In that case, it would be like suffering a 9/11-magnitude attack every month and a half or so. Picture the Republicans hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers ever month or two, year in and year out, and you've got a view of what this would look like for America, in terms of the impact on mortality.

LOl. The fear-mongering machine is working seriously overtime these days.

 

[marvin martian]

I can't believe anyone would buy into this crap, @Arkady.

Why don't you do some research and give us the number of people under Obamacare who are paying monthly premiums for their Obamacare insurance, yet, can't use it because their deductible is in the thousands and any medical care they get, despite their monthly payment, would come right out of pocket.

Of course you aren't willing to give us those numbers because it screws up your narrative.

I assure you, no one buys into it. This thread is worthy of nothing but the mockery it is receiving,

 

[Raoul_Luke]

You mean you can't die if you have health insurance? Where do I sign up???

 

[connieb]

You mean you can't die if you have health insurance? Where do I sign up???

Exactly. No one with health insurance ever dies.. they live forever. Just like every cancer patient lives. Just like every heart attack is survivable.......

 

[marvin martian]

You mean you can't die if you have health insurance? Where do I sign up???

You can't die if you have magical Obamacare. All other insurance policies are a death warrant, especially the ones not paid for with my tax dollars.

 

[Dawg]

If Trumpcare passes, there will be about 23 million more uninsured people, by the end of the decade, than would otherwise be uninsured. An earlier study found that lack of insurance correlated with about 45,000 deaths annually.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

At the time of that study, there were about 46 million uninsured, total. So, doing a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, that's about one extra death per year for every 1,022 uninsured people. Thus, driving the number who aren't insured up by 23 million would be anticipated to kill about 22,500 people per year.

To put that in terms of the kinds of deaths right-wingers actually care about, imagine if instead of dying statistical medical deaths from poor public policy, those people were dying in terrorist attacks. In that case, it would be like suffering a 9/11-magnitude attack every month and a half or so. Picture the Republicans hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers ever month or two, year in and year out, and you've got a view of what this would look like for America, in terms of the impact on mortality.

LMAO, same ol' same ol' libs spewing FEAR and evidently know HELL their next stop at death and scared

Shame Scalia and Ailes didn't have insurance, they'd still be alive, just to mention 2 of 100's that died with BEST health insurance one could buy!

 

[PhilFish]

If Trumpcare passes, there will be about 23 million more uninsured people, by the end of the decade, than would otherwise be uninsured. An earlier study found that lack of insurance correlated with about 45,000 deaths annually.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

At the time of that study, there were about 46 million uninsured, total. So, doing a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, that's about one extra death per year for every 1,022 uninsured people. Thus, driving the number who aren't insured up by 23 million would be anticipated to kill about 22,500 people per year.

To put that in terms of the kinds of deaths right-wingers actually care about, imagine if instead of dying statistical medical deaths from poor public policy, those people were dying in terrorist attacks. In that case, it would be like suffering a 9/11-magnitude attack every month and a half or so. Picture the Republicans hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers ever month or two, year in and year out, and you've got a view of what this would look like for America, in terms of the impact on mortality.

Studies show a range, and a range spanning 10's of thousands...and with a move to insured status a marked reduction.

https://obamacarefacts.com/facts-on-deaths-due-to-lack-of-health-insurance-in-us/
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/dying-from-lack-of-insurance/

 

[Arkady]

Any person can buy insurance.

No. Only those who can afford it can.

 

[SW48]

If Trumpcare passes, there will be about 23 million more uninsured people, by the end of the decade, than would otherwise be uninsured. An earlier study found that lack of insurance correlated with about 45,000 deaths annually.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

At the time of that study, there were about 46 million uninsured, total. So, doing a bit of back-of-the-envelope math, that's about one extra death per year for every 1,022 uninsured people. Thus, driving the number who aren't insured up by 23 million would be anticipated to kill about 22,500 people per year.

To put that in terms of the kinds of deaths right-wingers actually care about, imagine if instead of dying statistical medical deaths from poor public policy, those people were dying in terrorist attacks. In that case, it would be like suffering a 9/11-magnitude attack every month and a half or so. Picture the Republicans hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers ever month or two, year in and year out, and you've got a view of what this would look like for America, in terms of the impact on mortality.

I think you have to take out from your study anyone that owns a cell phone or makes car payments but doesn't have health insurance. These people are choosing not to buy health insurance.

The people that truly have no choice and are not capable of working you can count as not having health insurance but not the ones that have no health insurance but make car payments and cell phone payments which are not things you need to live.

 

[SW48]

No. Only those who can afford it can.

So 63 million people can't afford health insurance? If those 63 million can't work, and don't have cell phones and cars then I agree with you. I would say the number that can't afford health insurance is much lower than 63 million they just choose to spend their money elsewhere.

 

[Arkady]

I can't believe anyone would buy into this crap, @Arkady.

That's because you're innumerate. Among those accustomed to thinking in terms of numbers, though, it's a convincing analysis.

Why don't you do some research and give us the number of people under Obamacare who are paying monthly premiums for their Obamacare insurance, yet, can't use it because their deductible is in the thousands and any medical care they get, despite their monthly payment, would come right out of pocket.

Feel free to do that analysis, if you want to argue for tweaking Obamacare to push deductibles lower. But those high deductibles were something right-wing healthcare reformers pushed hard for, with the idea that it would encourage people to shop around for everyday medical care (while the insurance still protected people from catastrophic situations). And that shopping around may be contributing to the way Obamacare-era healthcare spending increases have been far below pre-Obamacare averages.

 

[Dawg]

No. Only those who can afford it can.

who are "those".........they can afford tattoos, bling, dope, smokes, nigh clubs, but, "those" can't afford insurance........

surely you know which is cheaper?

 

[Arkady]

LOl. The fear-mongering machine is working seriously overtime these days.

Yes, it certainly is -- the right-wingers desperately want people to fear negative fallout from Obamacare that has stubbornly refused to show up. Remember when they claimed Obamacare would actually REDUCE the number of people with health insurance? Remember when they claimed it would kill job creation? They've been wrong every step of the way, but they still manage to keep the right-wing masses very, very afraid. No need to fear, though. We've finally got a halfway decent healthcare system in this country. It's just a question of whether we choose to hold onto it, or go back to something more like the crappy system we used to have.

 

[Arkady]

You mean you can't die if you have health insurance? Where do I sign up???

No. You misunderstood. Try rereading. The analysis doesn't rely on something like your straw man argument -- that having health insurance means you can't die. It relies on excess mortality trends based on not having insurance. In other words, your chances of dying go down if you do have insurance. Thus, 23 million more people without insurance will mean around 22,500 more deaths per year.

 

[bdtex]

f Trumpcare passes, there will be about 23 million more uninsured people, by the end of the decade, than would otherwise be uninsured.

Back to emergency room healthcare or none at all for them too.

 

[justoffal]

I can't believe anyone would buy into this crap, @Arkady.

Why don't you do some research and give us the number of people under Obamacare who are paying monthly premiums for their Obamacare insurance, yet, can't use it because their deductible is in the thousands and any medical care they get, despite their monthly payment, would come right out of pocket.

Of course you aren't willing to give us those numbers because it screws up your narrative.

Beat me to it.

Ark is very intelligent and is fully aware of the angle you just enumerated that's what pisses me off about him so much....unlike some of the others who are party line to the point of autism....Ark is quite capable of seeing a rounded issue.

JO

 

[justoffal]

No. You misunderstood. Try rereading. The analysis doesn't rely on something like your straw man argument -- that having health insurance means you can't die. It relies on excess mortality trends based on not having insurance. In other words, your chances of dying go down if you do have insurance. Thus, 23 million more people without insurance will mean around 22,500 more deaths per year.

I know of many people who used to go to the doctor regularly but will no longer go because of their new deductible limits.....they will no doubt die younger than they should. Or maybe they will take better care of their health.

Face it Ark...it is not possible for us to save everybody without bankrupting everybody.

Where do we stop? Do we now make it illegal to die?

Yeah I know....if we could only spread out the wealth of the wealthy....

Got a better Idea....how about we get REAL medicine instead of FDA and AMA filtered phony care designed to cost a lot and deliver a little?