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freyasman

Senator
And it's obvious your awareness is of the most creepy kind. Whatever works for you, I guess.
Hey now, be fair..... what you were raised with is your baseline for what is "normal". If that environment is not what most folks consider "normal", then that is not your fault, and it is a constant source of misunderstanding, miscommunication, and conflict. We naturally assume that most people who look like us come from similar environments, but that is not always the case.
I don't think ETR knows a damn thing about what a functional, healthy, traditional nuclear family unit looks and acts like behind closed doors, but I don't for one minute hold that against him.... I don't have much first-hand experience with that stuff my ownself.
 

Jen

Senator
Hey now, be fair..... what you were raised with is your baseline for what is "normal". If that environment is not what most folks consider "normal", then that is not your fault, and it is a constant source of misunderstanding, miscommunication, and conflict. We naturally assume that most people who look like us come from similar environments, but that is not always the case.
I don't think ETR knows a damn thing about what a functional, healthy, traditional nuclear family unit looks and acts like behind closed doors, but I don't for one minute hold that against him.... I don't have much first-hand experience with that stuff my ownself.
Point taken.
And fair enough.
I am thankful that my home has been a haven from the pressures of the world for over 33 years. Nobody yells at anyone in my house. That probably isn't the "norm". I imagine it to be......... everyone needs a haven. I am so sorry that's not the case for everyone.
 

freyasman

Senator
Point taken.
And fair enough.
I am thankful that my home has been a haven from the pressures of the world for over 33 years. Nobody yells at anyone in my house. That probably isn't the "norm". I imagine it to be......... everyone needs a haven. I am so sorry that's not the case for everyone.
My mother instituted a "No gunfighting in the house" rule after the first shooting we had. There was another about a year later but they kept it outside. My childhood was somewhat eventful, you might say..... :cool:
 

EatTheRich

President
Let's take a step back and consider the historical purpose of the family: to ensure that a woman was not impregnated by a man other than her husband, by restricting her sexual freedom, so that he could pass property on to his legitimate heir. That's why when the familia originated in ancient Rome, for example, it was only for rich people.

Then there is the division of labor involved, between women who (according to conservative institutions' descriptions of a healthy family, and based on strong social pressure sometimes historically enforced by vicious sexist discrimination) did unpaid reproductive work in the domestic sphere, and men who did productive work in the public sphere and got paid, allowing them financial leverage over their wives and children.

Move on to the introduction of the family among poor people, and the use of the family to break up traditional bonds of tribal solidarity in order to make it easier to control the poor, and to make people depend on toeing the line of the ruling rich in order to have the protection of a family from the gay-bashing, sexual harassment and assault, social neglect, ostracism, and economic pressure used to punish people who don't conform to the "traditional" heterosexual ideal. Which could mean going to church, voting Republican, or joining the Klan to make sure your family is "respectable" to the local powers that be. Or not voting (as a Black person). Or not hiding Jews in your attic because you don't know whether your spouse will tell and you are too afraid to ask. Or wearing toxic makeup.

Consider next the physical, emotional, and sexual abuse that happen most often within the family. Yes, these are toxic families and not the idealized ones, but the point is that the family as an institution tends to encourage this type of behavior by being a major prop of men's domination over women and children, as well as encouraging neuroses such as the Oedipus complex.

The family also becomes a tool for propping up the power of the state, which exploits family feeling to coerce people, as terrorists do also; of the corporations which market to the insecurities of men, women, and children who need to fill an institution that is based on commerce with detritus that creates the illusion that it is a bond based on love; of monarchy; of caste privilege; and of course of the moneyed families, whose nepotism and inherited fortunes perpetuate their unjust free ride at the public expense.

The loving filial bonds of the slave, the common-law spouse, the homosexual, the tribal member, the trans person, the person of color, the follower of a minority religion, the atheist, the polyamorous person, the poor person, the immigrant, the employee, the radical, the foreigner, or the incarcerated person, on the other hand, has seldom been respected by the bourgeois society which creates the hypocritical cult of marriage ... while the ruling rich have working-class nannies to raise their kids and meanwhile be seduced by the family father whose role as head of the family makes his word privileged over hers, in between his seducing his business partner's wife, while she can't leave while he makes the money ... whether formalized via legal or religious marriage or not.

There's not a more "normal" family than the First Family, which includes so much of the ugliness that society accepts to make the family both possible and privileged. A healthy family is one from which socialism, or simply poverty, has removed the commercial relationship that is at the capitalist family's heart.
 

EatTheRich

President
Many boys in the U.S. have their genitals mutilated because their parents think it will be easier for them to find wives if they do. The same is done to girls to make it easier to find husbands, including in the U.S. and frequently in northern Africa.

Safe sex, birth control, sex education, and discussion of healthy self-imposed boundaries and what to do when they are crossed are withheld from people because they are threats to a family that relies on violence to terrorize women into accepting the subordination fundamental to making the family a socially necessary institution, and on the threats of venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy to push people into monogamous relationships whose privileged status facilitate bringing children up without the help of a society that is thereby relieved of responsibility when "someone else's child" is the victim of atrocities such as we see with ICE today.
 
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redtide

Mayor
Oh, you mean people who don't arbitrarily (without evidence) reject the scientific consensus on climate change?
sorry cultist but it appears that your cult has reached critical mass and to expand you will have to adopt even more of the tactics the catholic cult used to take over Europe. The only difference between then and now is that the pagans are better armed then are the climate wackadoodles. Now try to slow your breathing while reading this as you do not want to add toooooo much carbon dioxide into the air and cause more warming.
 
C

Capitalist

Guest
What beautiful dogs. I've been a dog person all my life. We also have two Great Pyrenees. One is getting old and probably isn't going to last much longer but the other is still a big goofy pup with loads of personality. His name is Kenner and his face always looks like he's saying: "Okay, I f**ked that up, what are we going to do now?View attachment 39413
Meet our Norwegian Elkhound pups Emma and Isla (nearly Anna and Ilsa--my daughter loves Frozen).

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Emma in the back is the party girl. Ilsa is the nice girl. Playful goofy dogs. Lotta fun. They're my little "wolfies."
 
C

Capitalist

Guest
Meet our Norwegian Elkhound pups Emma and Isla (nearly Anna and Ilsa--my daughter loves Frozen).

View attachment 39548
Emma in the back is the party girl. Ilsa is the nice girl. Playful goofy dogs. Lotta fun. They're my little "wolfies."
Since they are good Viking dogs I was shooting for good Viking names but got shot down. I would have liked:

Val (short for Valkyrie)
Laggie (short for Lagertha)

No dice.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Meet our Norwegian Elkhound pups Emma and Isla (nearly Anna and Ilsa--my daughter loves Frozen).

View attachment 39548
Emma in the back is the party girl. Ilsa is the nice girl. Playful goofy dogs. Lotta fun. They're my little "wolfies."
They look like they're full of personality. Dogs are good friends who, unlike people, don't criticize you or talk back and are up for anything you want to do. They're like, Oh, okay, let me take a quick shit and I'll be right with you, Boss.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Thank you.

Is it really such a terrible thing to let the man wear the pants without a fight?

Men have testosterone for a reason. Women have curves for a reason. Is it such a crime to let them be like that?

Why must women sprout dicks and prove that they're every bit as good a man as a man? Have they forgotten where the real power is? They must have because they’ve abandoned it. Why do they insist men put their dicks away and pretend to have a pussy? Anybody want to hazard a guess as to what Natural Law has to say about that?
For a man and a woman to have a successful marriage they have to have a certain amount of incompatibility. He needs a good income and she needs pattability.
 
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