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Fox Confirms Ukraine Re-Opened Burisma Case Involving Biden Just A Week Ago

Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by llovejim, Oct 11, 2019.

  1. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    There was some lying post made somewhere about how Ukraine had already re-opened the Burisma case BEFORE Trump called Zelensky on July 25th and bribed him to reopen the case in order to get Trump to release the 330 million or so he had frozen just a few days before the phone call. Why did anybody believe such horse shit? Why would trump ask him to do it, offer a quid pro quo, if it had already been done, and offer to send Rudy and lapdog Barr over to help out if it had already been re-opened? And why did Zelensky not tell Trump we have already re-opened it, instead of saying he would work with rudy and lapdog Barr? How does that make sense even to a Trump voter? But anyway, here is State TV- Fox confirming the Ukrainian Chief Prosecutor just re-opened the Burisma case last Friday- like I proved earlier using other sources Trump voters refuse to believe because they hate facts.

    Published 6 days ago
    Ukraine top prosecutor says Biden-linked Burisma case will be reviewed

    Ukraine’s top prosecutor said Friday (October 4) that his office is "conducting an audit" of cases that have been previously investigated and closed, including the probe involving the energy giant Burisma, where Hunter Biden had served on the board.

    Ruslan Ryaboshapka, the country's prosecutor general, said at a news conference that his office was instructed to review cases that have been closed, fragmented or investigated to make sure they were fairly and thoroughly handled. He said no one attempted to influence him to make the call.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/uk...s-hunter-biden-burisma-cases-will-be-reviewed


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  2. The Thinker

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    According to those right wingers at Daily Beast, there have been FIFTEEN investigations into Burisma Holdings. Which of the FIFTEEN are you speaking of? And what can you tell us about the other FOURTEEN? When did each begin? When did each end? I know that counting to FIFTEEN may involve taking off one shoe for some people, but FIFTEEN is a lot of investigations into one company.

    Why do you have no curiosity about Biden's obviously cozy relationship with such an obviously crooked company?

    Is the average DemocRAT capable of looking at the facts surrounding Burisma, Joe Biden and his crack head son and understanding there are obvious irregularities that need to be, MUST be investigated as a matter of reducing and eliminating corruption in Ukraine?

    What are DemocRATS so afraid of????

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/behind-ukraine-reopening-investigation-into-hunter-biden-company
     
  3. llovejim

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    that just shows how thoroughly the burisma case has been checked out. thanks for proving the bidens are in the clear. it was first investigated in 2012, before BIDEN WAS HIRED.

    and what does your crazy post have to do with what I posted today and yesterday when you tried to deny the fact that the Ukraine prosecutor announced last friday the Burisma case would be reopened, not before trump bribed Zelensky on July 25th, like stupid shit Trump voters have claimed?

    Here is something all chickenshit trump voters should try and understand- EVEN IF biden's kid did work for a company that was corrupt, even if somehow this American lawyer forced them to do naughty things after he joined up in 2014, it is STILL impeachable for Trump to bribe a foreign government to help him win election...WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND, AND WHY DO YOU KEEP DEFLECTING INSTEAD OF ACCEPTING THAT FACT?
     
  4. The Thinker

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    Words mean things. You said "a" Burisma case was reopened. I merely pointed out there were multiple cases.

    You continue ranting as if there were only one case, babbling about a case that started in 2012. What about the FOURTEEN others?

    Now, let's get to your assertion about me:

    "and what does your crazy post have to do with what I posted today and yesterday when you tried to deny the fact that the Ukraine prosecutor announced last friday the Burisma case would be reopened, not before trump bribed Zelensky on July 25th, like stupid shit Trump voters have claimed"


    I don't recall doing that. What, specifically, are you basing that claim on?
     
  5. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    it does not matter how many cases against burisma have been cleared or not...why do you keep deflecting? all that matters is we know trump bribed a foreign government to dig up shit on a political opponent, used his private lawyer, the attorney general of the US and the State Department to put pressure on the foreign government and used a meeting with Trump and the releasing of 330 milllion in military aid Trump had frozen a few days before the phone call as the quid pro quo.
     
  6. The Thinker

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    No, you're lying again. Trump asked Zelensky to "find out what happened". Zelensky could find out that what happened is Biden did nothing wrong and that would have satisfied Trump's request. Of course, this is contingent on the parties debating being capable of rational thinking, being at least somewhat honest and understanding basic English.
     
  7. llovejim

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    you have no idea of what the law is. among a lot of other things. for the crime of bribery to occur, it does not have to be successful, it just has to be attempted. so if trump connected the military aid he froze to zelensky agreeing to let rudy and lapdog barr "assist" ukraine in digging up dirt on the bidens, successful or not, that is a crime. and zelensky did agree to meet with rudy and barr during the phone call. you are just too focused on trying to protect conman trump.

    Bribery | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

    https://www.law.cornell.edu › Wex

    Bribery refers to the offering, giving, soliciting, or receiving of any item of value as a means of influencing the actions of an individual holding a public or legal duty.
     
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    Why are you saying "if"? I thought you had Trump dead to rights with that phone transcript. I guess now even you aren't so sure, eh? Too bad. So sad.
     
  9. Nostra

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    Trump offered nothing, withheld nothing, demanded nothing.

    Hard to make a case of bribery based on those facts.
     
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  10. llovejim

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    you are just doing your best to avoid facts. the texts show diplomats mentioning using that military aid as a bribe to get Ukraine to investigate the bidens!! do you think they just made it up? they talked about how important it was that Zelensky know the investigation into the bidens was the key point Trump wanted when he called...how can you ignore such obvious facts? do you need them reposted again?
     
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  11. Nostra

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    provide those texts.
     
  12. llovejim

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    try to get a clue- everything is just zooming over your head.

    You said-

    No, you're lying again. Trump asked Zelensky to "find out what happened". Zelensky could find out that what happened is Biden did nothing wrong and that would have satisfied Trump's request. Of course, this is contingent on the parties debating being capable of rational thinking, being at least somewhat honest and understanding basic English.

    then I said, replying to your irrelevant answer above- you were trying to say if Zelensky found no corruption with the Biden's then there was no foul. I was showing you how wrong that assumption is.

    you have no idea of what the law is. among a lot of other things. for the crime of bribery to occur, it does not have to be successful, it just has to be attempted. so if trump connected the military aid he froze to zelensky agreeing to let rudy and lapdog barr "assist" ukraine in digging up dirt on the bidens, successful or not, that is a crime. and zelensky did agree to meet with rudy and barr during the phone call. you are just too focused on trying to protect conman trump.

    Bribery | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

    https://www.law.cornell.edu › Wex

    Bribery refers to the offering, giving, soliciting, or receiving of any item of value as a means of influencing the actions of an individual holding a public or legal duty.
     
  13. Alinvegas

    Alinvegas Trump in 2020

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    So. who really did kill Kennedy?
     
  14. Nostra

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    Trump.
     
  15. llovejim

    llovejim Current Champion

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    these texts shown here prove there was a quid pro quo. try to read and understand what these texts are clearly saying-

    The conversation between Trump and Sondland was first reported by The Wall Street Journal. The Trump administration's alleged efforts to pressure Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son while the U.S. withheld military aid to the country have given rise to an impeachment investigation in the House. Here is the text-

    [7/19/19, 4:48 Kurt Volker: Mr Mayor really enjoyed breakfast this
    morning. As discussed, connecting you here with Andrey Yermak, who is very
    close to President Zelensky. I suggest we schedule a call together on Monday
    maybe 10am or 11am Washington time? Kurt

    Sondland Briefs Zelenskv Ahead of Call with President Trump: On July 19, 2019,
    Ambassador Volker, Ambassador Sondland, and Mr. Taylor had the following exchange
    about the Specific goal for the upcoming telephone call between President Trump and the Ukrainian President:

    [7/19/19, 4:49:42 Kurt Volker: Can we three do a call tomorrow?say noon


    [7/19/19, 6:50:29 Gordon Sondland: Looks like Potus call tomorrow. I spoke
    directly to Zelensky and gave him a full briefing. He's got it.

    [7/19/19, 6:52:57 Gordon Sondland: Sure!

    [7/19/19, 7:01 :22 Kurt Volker: Good. Had breakfast with Rudy this
    morning teeing up call Yermak Monday. Must have helped. Most impt is for
    Zelensky to say that he will help investigation and address any specific personnel issues if there are any


    Concerns about Ukraine Becoming an Instrument in US. Politics: On July 21,
    2019, Ambassador Taylor tagged President Zelensky's desire for Ukraine not to be used
    by the Trump Administration for its own domestic political purposes:

    [7/21/19, 1:45:54 Bill Taylor: Gordon, one thing Kurt and I talked about
    yesterday was Sasha Danyliuk's point that President Zelensky is sensitive about Ukraine being taken seriously, not merely as an instrument in Washington domestic, reelection politics.


    [7/21/19, 4:45:44 Gordon Sondland: Absolutely, but we need to get the
    conversation started and the relationship built, irrespective of the pretext. I am
    worried about the alternative.

    this is after the trump phone call on July 25


    19, 12:31 :06 Bill Taylor: The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key. With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario.

    [9/9/19, 12:34:44 Bill Taylor: Counting on you to be right about this
    interview, Gordon.

    [9/9/19, 12:37:16 Gordon Sondland: Bill, I never said I was right. I said
    we are where we are and believe we have identified the best pathway forward.
    Lets hope it works.

    [9/9/19, 12:47:11 Bill Taylor: As 1 said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.

    5 hours later, after we know Sondland called Trump for guidance, he replied-

    19, 5:19:35 Gordon Sondland: Bill, I believe you are incorrect about
    President Trump's intentions. The President has been clear no quid pro
    quos of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly
    going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised
    during his campaign (but all Trump talked about is investigating the Bidens) I suggest we stop the back and forth by text If you still have
    concerns I recommend you give Lisa Kenna or a call to discuss them directly.

    there is even more damning direct paper trail evidence shown here on this link that was provided to the House Intelligence Committee...it clearly shows Trump, Giuliani, Pompeo, all state dept. workers in the region, using military assistance as a stick to get an investigation of the Bidens.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...ormer-u-s-envoy-ukraine-n1062351?icid=related
     
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    I don't see Trump's name on any of those.
     
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    now i know you are just being stupid on purpose!! good one!! yeah, sondland was a political appointee of trump whose only qualification was he was a huge GOP fundraiser, gave a million dollars for Trump's inauguration....and the other real state dept. diplomats mentioned clearly knew the military aid had been frozen by Trump and was being used as the carrot, and the stick, to get Zelensky to allow Rudy and lapdog Barr to "assist" in digging up dirt on the bidens like trump talked about in the phone call, that zelensky agreed to!! why do you think the comments about military aid being tied to political election reasons were even in those texts if they had not been told to make sure zelensky and other Ukraine diplomats knew what was on the line? they just made it up? they just guessed Trump had frozen that dough before he made the phone call?
     
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  18. Nostra

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    You have quite the imagination.
     
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    Try looking for them....they are all over the web.
     
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    Who ordered the hold on military aid to Ukraine?
     
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