FOX has been right all along, which is one of the reasons

[Mick]

The meetings with representatives of the Russian government were indeed collusion. Whether or not they were conspiracy is what determines if they were criminal.

Mueller already ruled on this: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

If one doesn't "coordinate" they surely can't commit "collusion". Please explain how that works if you feel otherwise. We need some more laughs at your sorry ass responses.

 

[Mick]

your way of avoiding the hard work of actually finding facts to back you up...just call those of us names if we disagree with you.

You talking about facts? ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good lord, you are one of the left wing poster boys for spewing lies and propaganda here. You all do it. You are just one of the biggest offenders. Now I want you to get on that project on show us how one "colludes" without "coordinating".

 

[middleview]

You talking about facts? ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good lord, you are one of the left wing poster boys for spewing lies and propaganda here. You all do it. You are just one of the biggest offenders. Now I want you to get on that project on show us how one "colludes" without "coordinating".

you just called me a liar. Find a post of mine that you can prove is false. Once you do that I will answer your question...

 

[middleview]

Mueller already ruled on this: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

If one doesn't "coordinate" they surely can commit "collusion". Please explain how that works if you feel otherwise. We need some more laughs at your sorry ass responses.

Telling the Russians If Trump gets elected sanctions will go away"...and the Russians then act without further communication to release DNC email..it is collusion. If the Trump campaign offered a quid pro quo..."if you guys hack the DNC email for dirt on Clinton", it is conspiracy.

 

[middleview]

I truly believe that deep inside you you know when you are being rude, but if you choose not to recognize it, then even my showing you wouldn't allow you to realize it.

you won't because you can't.

 

[middleview]

I don't care about anyone's opinion...........what I dislike is rudeness and crudeness and liars.............. does any of that seem familiar regarding you and your friends? It should.

your posts here call others stupid and retarded..find one of mine calling you names.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

so what meetings can you document between clinton campaign people and anyone within the cia or fbi?

https://thefederalist.com/2018/07/30/facts-behind-trump-tower-meeting-incriminating-not-trump/

 

[middleview]

https://thefederalist.com/2018/07/30/facts-behind-trump-tower-meeting-incriminating-not-trump/

So the answer is none. Thanks.

Let me point out what your link claims....
The Clinton Campaign hired Fusion to dig up links to Russia. No. The Clinton campaign asked their law firm to do opposition research. The law firm hired Fusion, Fusion hired Steele.

DCLeaks published hacked email in June 2016. While the public didn't know about the hack, certainly the hackers did...so did Wikileaks.

On or about May 10, 2016, at London's Kensington Wine Rooms, Papadopoulos allegedly told the top Australian diplomat to the United Kingdom, Alexander Downer, that Russia was in possession of emails relating to Hillary Clinton. In July, after the DNC hacking had become known, the Australians told U.S. authorities about Papadopoulos's comment, leading the Federal Bureau of Investigation to open a counterintelligence investigation into the Donald Trump presidential campaign on July 31, 2016

Papadopoulos later said that he had told the Greek Foreign Minister, Nikos Kotzias, during a meeting on May 26, 2016, that the Russians had Clinton-related emails. He said his "biggest regret" was not immediately reporting Mifsud's comment to U.S. intelligence, and the "stupidest thing I did was actually gossiping about it with foreign diplomats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Papadopoulos#Involvement_in_Donald_Trump's_presidential_campaign

Who attended the Trump Tower meeting......curious if the meeting was all about Magnitsky.

• Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, responsible for the campaign's digital, online, and social media operations.
• Paul Manafort, campaign manager for the presidential campaign of Donald Trump from 29 March 2016 to 19 August 2016. He was formerly a lobbyist.
• Donald Trump Jr., eldest son of Donald Trump, active in the presidential campaign as a key political aide and advisor to his father.

Russian lobbyists[edit]

• Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Russian lawyer best known in the United States for lobbying against the Magnitsky Act. According to the New York Times, in Moscow she is regarded as a "trusted insider" who has argued cases for government agencies and high-profile clients including Pyotr Katsyv, an official in the state-owned Russian Railways, and his son Denis, whom she defended against a money laundering charge in New York. She has also been an informant in active communication with Yury Chaika, the Russian prosecutor general, since 2013. Starting in 2014, she had worked with Fusion GPS, the firm that was later hired to do opposition research on Trump, to investigate an unrelated money-laundering case involving Prevezon Holding, and the "dirt" she brought with her to the meeting stemmed from that work. The work on the Prevezon case, and later on the dossier, were completely separate, and Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee that they were unaware that Veselnitskaya would meet with Trump campaign members or share anything from the Prevezon case with them.
• Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian-American lobbyist and former Soviet counterintelligence officer suspected of "having ongoing ties to Russian Intelligence", although he denies it. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, he immigrated to the United States in 1993 and became a U.S. citizen in 2009. According to the New York Times, Akhmetshin has “a history of working for close allies of President Vladimir V. Putin.”

Other participants

• Rob Goldstone, the publicist of Emin Agalarov, who said that Agalarov asked him to contact Trump Jr. New York attorney Scott S. Balber, who was retained by Emin and Aras Agalarov, denied that Goldstone's emails accurately outlined the origins of the meeting.
• Anatoli Samochornov, a translator for Veselnitskaya. In the past, Samochornov worked for Meridian International and did contract work for the U.S. State Department as an interpreter. Samochornov is not an employee of the State Department.
• Ike Kaveladze, a Georgian-American, US-based senior vice president at Crocus Group, the real estate development company run by Aras Agalarov. Kaveladze's lawyer Scott Balber, who also represents Aras and Emin Agalarov, stated that Kaveladze attended the meeting as the Agalarov family's emissary “just to make sure it happened and to serve as an interpreter if necessary.”

 

[Raoul_Luke]

So the answer is none. Thanks.

Let me point out what your link claims....
The Clinton Campaign hired Fusion to dig up links to Russia. No. The Clinton campaign asked their law firm to do opposition research. The law firm hired Fusion, Fusion hired Steele.

DCLeaks published hacked email in June 2016. While the public didn't know about the hack, certainly the hackers did...so did Wikileaks.

On or about May 10, 2016, at London's Kensington Wine Rooms, Papadopoulos allegedly told the top Australian diplomat to the United Kingdom, Alexander Downer, that Russia was in possession of emails relating to Hillary Clinton. In July, after the DNC hacking had become known, the Australians told U.S. authorities about Papadopoulos's comment, leading the Federal Bureau of Investigation to open a counterintelligence investigation into the Donald Trump presidential campaign on July 31, 2016

Papadopoulos later said that he had told the Greek Foreign Minister, Nikos Kotzias, during a meeting on May 26, 2016, that the Russians had Clinton-related emails. He said his "biggest regret" was not immediately reporting Mifsud's comment to U.S. intelligence, and the "stupidest thing I did was actually gossiping about it with foreign diplomats

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Papadopoulos#Involvement_in_Donald_Trump's_presidential_campaign

Who attended the Trump Tower meeting......curious if the meeting was all about Magnitsky.

• Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, responsible for the campaign's digital, online, and social media operations.
• Paul Manafort, campaign manager for the presidential campaign of Donald Trump from 29 March 2016 to 19 August 2016. He was formerly a lobbyist.
• Donald Trump Jr., eldest son of Donald Trump, active in the presidential campaign as a key political aide and advisor to his father.

Russian lobbyists[edit]

• Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Russian lawyer best known in the United States for lobbying against the Magnitsky Act. According to the New York Times, in Moscow she is regarded as a "trusted insider" who has argued cases for government agencies and high-profile clients including Pyotr Katsyv, an official in the state-owned Russian Railways, and his son Denis, whom she defended against a money laundering charge in New York. She has also been an informant in active communication with Yury Chaika, the Russian prosecutor general, since 2013. Starting in 2014, she had worked with Fusion GPS, the firm that was later hired to do opposition research on Trump, to investigate an unrelated money-laundering case involving Prevezon Holding, and the "dirt" she brought with her to the meeting stemmed from that work. The work on the Prevezon case, and later on the dossier, were completely separate, and Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee that they were unaware that Veselnitskaya would meet with Trump campaign members or share anything from the Prevezon case with them.
• Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian-American lobbyist and former Soviet counterintelligence officer suspected of "having ongoing ties to Russian Intelligence", although he denies it. After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, he immigrated to the United States in 1993 and became a U.S. citizen in 2009. According to the New York Times, Akhmetshin has “a history of working for close allies of President Vladimir V. Putin.”

Other participants

• Rob Goldstone, the publicist of Emin Agalarov, who said that Agalarov asked him to contact Trump Jr. New York attorney Scott S. Balber, who was retained by Emin and Aras Agalarov, denied that Goldstone's emails accurately outlined the origins of the meeting.
• Anatoli Samochornov, a translator for Veselnitskaya. In the past, Samochornov worked for Meridian International and did contract work for the U.S. State Department as an interpreter. Samochornov is not an employee of the State Department.
• Ike Kaveladze, a Georgian-American, US-based senior vice president at Crocus Group, the real estate development company run by Aras Agalarov. Kaveladze's lawyer Scott Balber, who also represents Aras and Emin Agalarov, stated that Kaveladze attended the meeting as the Agalarov family's emissary “just to make sure it happened and to serve as an interpreter if necessary.”

The concept of laundering your moves behind attorney client privilege is something the Clintons are certainly adept at. The idea that Clinton had no idea what the law firm she hired was doing (and who they were hiring to do it) simply does not pass the laugh test.

The bottom line is that Fusion GPS was doing Hillary's dirty work, not Perkins Coie's, so the fact that Fusion GPS, whom they hired to do HILLARY'S dirty work, met before and after the Trump Tower Meeting with Veselnitskaya is a smoking howitzer. Then there's the whole nebulous subject matter - at first set up as an offer of "dirt on Hillary" and then switched once they got in the room to the Magnitsky matter - that looks suspicious. The whole thing smells fishy and begins to look like an effort by interests aligned with Hillary Clinton to put the Trump people in a room with Russians to further the "collusion" narrative.

As for the Papadopoulos affair, where does it quote him as saying the "Hillary" emails were the ones obtained from the DNC hack? It doesn't, of course. But, while we're on the subject of who knew about that, certainly Brennan and Clapper did. And that's probably the ones Mifsud, who has extensive ties to western intelligence (and no clear ties to the Kremlin) was referring to - but Papadopoulos simply assumed they were the "30,000" emails she scrubbed from her home brew server. So he was fed information by a western intelligence asset, and was later chatted up by a Clinton crony and pumped for the information. It's a classic (dirty) cop move: when they want to incriminate someone but don't have proof - they manufacture it.

The lack of indictments for either of these episodes speaks volumes about the criminality involved, at least on the Trump team's part, as that's the only side that has been looked at to date. Now we're going to see the investigation turn to the other side of these events, and it's about f*cking time….

 

[Jen]

your posts here call others stupid and retarded..find one of mine calling you names.

False equivalences?
Why would you trot that out into the open?

 

[llovejim]

Mueller already ruled on this: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

If one doesn't "coordinate" they surely can commit "collusion". Please explain how that works if you feel otherwise. We need some more laughs at your sorry ass responses.

read this- from the actual report-

 

[Colorforms]

read this- from the actual report-

View attachment 42545

Wow, good thing western jurisprudence specifies "innocent until proven guilty". If you can't prove Trump is guilty, then he's innocent.

I know democrats threw that concept out a while ago, but most conservatives still believe in due process.

 

[Nutty Cortez]

read this- from the actual report-

View attachment 42545

Which means they couldn't prove he did either.
This report, volume two, doesn't have a syllable of legal significance. There's not a syllable of law in it. It doesn't matter what McGahn said or what the president said, none of it's been tested in a court of law. There's been no challenge to it. There's been no cross-examination. Nothing. That's why Mueller wrote this.


All prime red meat for the dumbest of the dumb- leftists and media.

 

[llovejim]

The concept of laundering your moves behind attorney client privilege is something the Clintons are certainly adept at. The idea that Clinton had no idea what the law firm she hired was doing (and who they were hiring to do it) simply does not pass the laugh test.

The bottom line is that Fusion GPS was doing Hillary's dirty work, not Perkins Coie's, so the fact that Fusion GPS, whom they hired to do HILLARY'S dirty work, met before and after the Trump Tower Meeting with Veselnitskaya is a smoking howitzer. Then there's the whole nebulous subject matter - at first set up as an offer of "dirt on Hillary" and then switched once they got in the room to the Magnitsky matter - that looks suspicious. The whole thing smells fishy and begins to look like an effort by interests aligned with Hillary Clinton to put the Trump people in a room with Russians to further the "collusion" narrative.

As for the Papadopoulos affair, where does it quote him as saying the "Hillary" emails were the ones obtained from the DNC hack? It doesn't, of course. But, while we're on the subject of who knew about that, certainly Brennan and Clapper did. And that's probably the ones Mifsud, who has extensive ties to western intelligence (and no clear ties to the Kremlin) was referring to - but Papadopoulos simply assumed they were the "30,000" emails she scrubbed from her home brew server. So he was fed information by a western intelligence asset, and was later chatted up by a Clinton crony and pumped for the information. It's a classic (dirty) cop move: when they want to incriminate someone but don't have proof - they manufacture it.

The lack of indictments for either of these episodes speaks volumes about the criminality involved, at least on the Trump team's part, as that's the only side that has been looked at to date. Now we're going to see the investigation turn to the other side of these events, and it's about f*cking time….

total bullshit. what part of your ass do you pull this crap from, boy? do you not understand how the Magnitski matter was so important to Putin and was what he wanted Trump, once elected, to deal with? and that is if you believe proven liars like Donnie, jr and Jared and Manafort are actually telling the truth about what was talked about in that meeting, dummy. Why would you believe them when Donnie first lied about having a meeting at all, then lied that the meeting was only about Russian adoptions (supposedly head assclown Trump wrote that lying statement) and then he finally admitted he was told it was part of Putin's effort to help Trump win and it had to do with dirt the Russians had illegally hacked from DNC servers, not Hillary's. Her email server was never hacked!!

what a lot of incredibly stupid, gullible trump voters do not get is there is absolutely no law about any campaign paying a source for information- about anything. why would anyone think there is...and Steele was not a Russian source!! He was the former BRITISH head of the British spy agency in Moscow!! he had inside sources and contacts who were NOT PUTIN STOOGES, that gave him better access to what Russia and Putin wanted from Trump, why they admitted they wanted him to win, and only hacked DNC emails and only released those hacked emails to wikileaks to try and hurt Hillary. She did not use a RUSSIAN SOURCE TIED TO PUTIN, THAT IS WHAT TRAITORS DO, LIKE TRUMP, HIS SON, HIS SON IN LAW, HIS CAMPAIGN ADVISER, HIS NSA TOP ADVISER AND OTHERS DID CONNECTED TO TRUMP...

If you partisan hacks really were being honest, you would admit what Donnie Jr, and Jared and Manafort, plus the others, should have done, instead of agreeing to meet with these known Russian agents of Putin, would be to notify the FBI of the Russian attempt to meddle in our election!! but you are far too dishonest and partisan to admit the obvious truth.

 

[Colorforms]

total bullshit. what part of your ass do you pull this crap from, boy? do you not understand how the Magnitski matter was so important to Putin and was what he wanted Trump, once elected, to deal with? and that is if you believe proven liars like Donnie, jr and Jared and Manafort are actually telling the truth about what was talked about in that meeting, dummy. Why would you believe them when Donnie first lied about having a meeting at all, then lied that the meeting was only about Russian adoptions (supposedly head assclown Trump wrote that lying statement) and then he finally admitted he was told it was part of Putin's effort to help Trump win and it had to do with dirt the Russians had illegally hacked from DNC servers, not Hillary's. Her email server was never hacked!!

what a lot of incredibly stupid, gullible trump voters do not get is there is absolutely no law about any campaign paying a source for information- about anything. why would anyone think there is...and Steele was not a Russian source!! He was the former BRITISH head of the British spy agency in Moscow!! he had inside sources and contacts who were NOT PUTIN STOOGES, that gave him better access to what Russia and Putin wanted from Trump, why they admitted they wanted him to win, and only hacked DNC emails and only released those hacked emails to wikileaks to try and hurt Hillary. She did not use a RUSSIAN SOURCE TIED TO PUTIN, THAT IS WHAT TRAITORS DO, LIKE TRUMP, HIS SON, HIS SON IN LAW, HIS CAMPAIGN ADVISER, HIS NSA TOP ADVISER AND OTHERS DID CONNECTED TO TRUMP...

If you partisan hacks really were being honest, you would admit what Donnie Jr, and Jared and Manafort, plus the others, should have done, instead of agreeing to meet with these known Russian agents of Putin, notify the FBI of the Russian attempt to meddle in our election!! but you are far too dishonest and partisan to admit the obvious truth.

But if all of this is true, then why not an indictment? Is Mueller also incredibly stupid and gullible?

 

[middleview]

False equivalences?
Why would you trot that out into the open?

Nice dodge. Your posts are entirely attacks on others and you call me rude.

False equivalence? Not at all. Just pointing out your own hypocrisy. So where are those rude posts of mine you found so objectionable?

 

[middleview]

Wow, good thing western jurisprudence specifies "innocent until proven guilty". If you can't prove Trump is guilty, then he's innocent.

I know democrats threw that concept out a while ago, but most conservatives still believe in due process.

So is OJ innocent of murdering his Ex?

 

[middleview]

The concept of laundering your moves behind attorney client privilege is something the Clintons are certainly adept at. The idea that Clinton had no idea what the law firm she hired was doing (and who they were hiring to do it) simply does not pass the laugh test.

The bottom line is that Fusion GPS was doing Hillary's dirty work, not Perkins Coie's, so the fact that Fusion GPS, whom they hired to do HILLARY'S dirty work, met before and after the Trump Tower Meeting with Veselnitskaya is a smoking howitzer. Then there's the whole nebulous subject matter - at first set up as an offer of "dirt on Hillary" and then switched once they got in the room to the Magnitsky matter - that looks suspicious. The whole thing smells fishy and begins to look like an effort by interests aligned with Hillary Clinton to put the Trump people in a room with Russians to further the "collusion" narrative.

As for the Papadopoulos affair, where does it quote him as saying the "Hillary" emails were the ones obtained from the DNC hack? It doesn't, of course. But, while we're on the subject of who knew about that, certainly Brennan and Clapper did. And that's probably the ones Mifsud, who has extensive ties to western intelligence (and no clear ties to the Kremlin) was referring to - but Papadopoulos simply assumed they were the "30,000" emails she scrubbed from her home brew server. So he was fed information by a western intelligence asset, and was later chatted up by a Clinton crony and pumped for the information. It's a classic (dirty) cop move: when they want to incriminate someone but don't have proof - they manufacture it.

The lack of indictments for either of these episodes speaks volumes about the criminality involved, at least on the Trump team's part, as that's the only side that has been looked at to date. Now we're going to see the investigation turn to the other side of these events, and it's about f*cking time….

Do you have any evidence of communication between the Clinton campaign and Fusion or Steele?

 

[redtide]

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Do you have any evidence of communication between the Clinton campaign and Fusion or Steele?

other than their paying for it, covering up for them and misusing govt agencies to spy?

 

[middleview]

But if all of this is true, then why not an indictment? Is Mueller also incredibly stupid and gullible?

The sitting president cannot be indicted and must be impeached first. The Mueller report does not state that the Trump campaign did not conspire with the Russians nor does it exonerate Trump for obstruction...read it again.