Abatis
Council Member
I've ignored you stomping your feet and holding your breath and screaming that I'm wrong. You have devolved to such a debased state that you are deriding quotes from the Justices as "gun nut talking points". . . That's freaking hilarious!I already explained that for you, as you know. You just ignored what I said.
I would have liked to see an explanation of your position set-out, explaining your reasoning and showing in a quote from the opinions where what the dissents clearly state in their opening paragraphs is negated.
I get that Stevens and Burger got all antsy and went full jackass after they left the Court but that doesn't count for anything when we are discussing the actual 2ndA / RKBA opinions they and the other lefties put their names on (for Burger that would be a big fat zero).
Except that you keep saying that and I keep re-posting actual quotes of them saying the right protected by the 2nd is an individual right and that the big pressing, nearly 7 decades long question over the 2nd Amendment, whether the right is "collective" or "individual" is no longer pertinent to the Court or the discussion in general. Can you explain your incongruity with these actual quotes from the dissents?As you also know, the four Heller dissenters have all made it crystal clear that they reject the majority individual rights position.
Justice Breyer:
"The Second Amendment says that: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” In interpreting and applying this Amendment, I take as a starting point . . . , based on our precedent and today’s opinions, to which I believe the entire Court subscribes:
(1) The Amendment protects an “individual” right—i.e., one that is separately possessed, and may be separately enforced, by each person on whom it is conferred. See, e.g., ante, at 22 (opinion of the Court); ante, at 1 (Stevens, J., dissenting)."Justice Stevens:
"The question presented by this case is not whether the Second Amendment protects a “collective right” or an “individual right.” Surely it protects a right that can be enforced by individuals. But a conclusion that the Second Amendment protects an individual right does not tell us anything about the scope of that right."
Victory can only happen when one has actually engaged in the battle. You have screamed from across the room and waved your arms maniacally but you haven't really ever engaged in the debate with reason and cited supportSince you completely ignored what I said, and you’re limited to the same gun nut talking point I already thoroughly debunked, I have no choice but to declare total victory.
Anyone can make bald claims and strut and flex but when you haven't thrown a punch, you sure as hell can't claim victory.
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