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France's state of emergency has lasted 2 1/2 months

Supposing that were true (and it is not; the work force is still overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon), it's not that immigrants don't want unions. Often, in fact, they come from places with strong union traditions and can introduce new methods of struggle. It's that systemic discrimination against migrants makes it harder to establish unions.
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Epidemic of Academics

More proof of what a fraud the Limousine Liberals are, as their name implies. Forced integration of naturally incompatible groups was designed to break up union solidarity. That broke the back of the American blue-collar class. Starting in the 1960s Snob Mob took over the Democratic Party and betrayed its previous base.
 
Which means that for 2 1/2 months the government has been able to search homes without warrants, order house arrests without charges, ban public demonstrations, disband dissident groups, and block websites without judicial approval. The state of emergency was put into place by President Francois Hollande, of the Socialist Party, following the November 13 Daesh-affiliated attacks for 12 days, the maximum without parliamentary approval. Parliament then voted to extend them an additional 90 days ... that is, through Feb. 26. Now he is seeking to extend it again. Prime Minister Manuel Valls, also of the Socialist Party, says the state of emergency should remain in effect "as long as Daesh is a threat." Meanwhile the government is seeking statutory expansion of its powers to monitor communications. French liberty looks very, very ill.

Meanwhile Obama is more interested in maintaining the NATO alliance and securing cooperation against Daesh than in keeping France from turning into a police state.
Those crazy socialists and their police states. ;0)
 

EatTheRich

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Don't think leaving the EU will give some kind of freedom. You haven't looked at the people carrying those "taking back control" banners; Gove, Farage, Johnson. For some reason you think those guys have your best interests at heart? That they like alternative ideas? Or will allow you access to the truth? A free press? the UK is ranked 38th in the 2016 World Press Freedom Index? (Costa Rica, Ghana, Tonga and Uruguay all have a more independent media than the UK). That's how much our governing classes love freedom. They love their freedom (regulation-free) but not ours.

When they say "take back control", they mean; take control from Europe and give it all to them. The likes of Gove and Johnson and Rupert Murdoch. Journalist Anthony Hilton once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice."
Absolutely agreed.

Maybe the likes of Murdoch and Gove and Johnson and Farage want out of the EU because the EU has been the institution that has done most to give workers rights of employment.
Presumably the labor laws are a few among many regulations that they see as interfering with their profits.

Many of the benefits and protections British people have at work are thanks to EU regulations
True only in a very narrow sense. These protections reflect the strength of the labor movement and its parties; the EU is only the form via which this strength is legally registered. As QT points out, below, the UK enjoyed a high degree of labor protection and other democratic rights before joining the EU.

and there's zero chance the Tories would make maintaining those rights a priority in the event of #Brexit (see http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/25/workers-rights-are-on-the-line-in-eu-referendum-warns-tuc).
The sort of class-collaborationist policy that would look either to Brussels or to Westminster to maintain labor's rights is bound in the long run to meet with betrayal and disappointment. The only way labor can secure its rights is to build up its own strength, independent of the capitalists, and meet the power of money with power of their own, including by taking advantage of divisions in the capitalist ranks.

The fight is, of course, an international one, but it takes different national forms reflecting the norms of bourgeois national and international law. It's true that the removal of EU protections might occasion a more immediate push on the employers' part to roll back workers' rights. On the other hand, there is obvious compensation in the fact that the British workers will no longer be immediately up against the combined might of Germany, France, the UK, etc., but will instead be able to concentrate on the primary national enemy.
 

EatTheRich

President
Epidemic of Academics

More proof of what a fraud the Limousine Liberals are, as their name implies. Forced integration of naturally incompatible groups was designed to break up union solidarity. That broke the back of the American blue-collar class. Starting in the 1960s Snob Mob took over the Democratic Party and betrayed its previous base.
1. What groups exactly are "naturally incompatible"?
2. How many strikes have brought "incompatible" groups together? Catholics and Protestants, Blacks and whites, Jews and Arabs, Hatfields and McCoys? How many prison rebellions?
3. How can there be union solidarity when "insiders" share in the benefits and "outsiders" form a ready-made pool of scabs?
4. The labor movement's relative weakness in the American South compared with the rest of the country is a direct legacy of the South's Jim Crow system.
 

EatTheRich

President
Those crazy socialists and their police states. ;0)
Lenin called this model "social chauvinism." Any "socialist" who puts the nation first, and the working class second, is de facto capitulating to the ruling class, and will end up aiding that ruling class in its struggle against the workers. Other than imperialist war, police-state repression is the most typical expression of this alliance. Bureuacratic nanny-statism takes a close third.

Hollande's "socialism" is evidently of this sort, as is that of Bernie Sanders. Social chauvinism, but of a different (rightist) character, is also typical of the "socialism" of Hitler and similar "national socialist" leaders. A similar phenomenon is at the root of Stalinism, where there is no native bourgeoisie, but the nationalist leader sells out to the international bourgeoisie in order to purchase "peaceful coexistence" on behalf of his nation.

The revolutionary socialism of Lenin, etc., was of course radically opposed to the entire political trajectory of social chauvinism. Based on the international alliance of the working class against all ruling classes, Lenin's communism was of course opposed to the state in principle. Now, of course, one does not make a revolution with kid gloves, and Lenin did not let his principles stop him from unleashing repression against those attempting to re-enslave the land the workers had liberated ... but he recognized that that repression laid the groundwork for a counterrevolution that would remove the masses from the center of political power, and return it to a small clique with aspirations of becoming a new ruling class. He took concrete political measures to prevent such a counterrevolution, including supporting self-determination even for politically backward nations; strictly limiting, by formal and informal means, the accumulation of power in the hands of individuals; and demanding more of political leaders than was ever demanded of the masses. Ultimately, these measures were insufficient in light of the objective strength of the counterrevolutionary ebb supported by the entire international bourgeoisie. Yet the fierce resistance to Stalin's consolidation of a dictatorship, led by Leon Trotsky, points the way forward to a day when instead of being isolated from all potential allies and struggling against a mighty international bourgeoisie, pro-democracy forces are able to overwhelm the bourgeois forces promoting repression of the working class, defeat them once and for all, and transcend democracy by abolishing the state altogether.
 
What are the issues?

Gov gave them an ultimatum - sign the new contract or fu'ck off ( we don't have enough Drs as it is now because Gov has fu'ck up the NHS so badly) the contract is about hours, it will mean Junior Drs work the hours they used too but without any overtime pay. As I understand it, I have lost the thread since it has been head down in revision for me lately ---- They are going to strike again, the Sernior Drs are behind them and have said they will cover for them when ever they are asked too --- The public are behind them too.

This Gov is getting the country ready for TTIP ( what Obama came here to threaten us over) so that the Corporate privitization of health care, education and all else will be able to be done in 5 mins flat --- It is already like a different country ! terrifying

And people still don't know which way to vote :rolleyes:
 
Gov gave them an ultimatum - sign the new contract or fu'ck off ( we don't have enough Drs as it is now because Gov has fu'ck up the NHS so badly) the contract is about hours, it will mean Junior Drs work the hours they used too but without any overtime pay. As I understand it, I have lost the thread since it has been head down in revision for me lately ---- They are going to strike again, the Sernior Drs are behind them and have said they will cover for them when ever they are asked too --- The public are behind them too.

This Gov is getting the country ready for TTIP ( what Obama came here to threaten us over) so that the Corporate privitization of health care, education and all else will be able to be done in 5 mins flat --- It is already like a different country ! terrifying

And people still don't know which way to vote :rolleyes:
I was talking to a lady who was after my continued support opposing TTIP yesterday , I said that if we vote leave then we can avoid TTIP. She said that that was a common misconception, the Gov. has been one of the main driving forces for TTIP within the EU , even if we leave the EU we will still be bound by the terms and conditions of that Partnership.
No I havnt decided which way to vote , and I have two more months to decide :D:p
 
I was talking to a lady who was after my continued support opposing TTIP yesterday , I said that if we vote leave then we can avoid TTIP. She said that that was a common misconception, the Gov. has been one of the main driving forces for TTIP within the EU , even if we leave the EU we will still be bound by the terms and conditions of that Partnership.
No I havnt decided which way to vote , and I have two more months to decide :D:p
We will not be bound by the agreement if we are OUT ---
 
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