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Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by JackDallas, Nov 10, 2018.

  1. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    From a Conservative viewpoint, I believe the First Amendment to the United States Constitution gives me the right to express my opinion within certain parameters set by law. I am allowed to speak freely, openly, and publicly on matters of politics, religion, morality, financial pursuits, favorite sports teams and any other of a myriad of subjects that may strike my fancy.


    I can mount a soapbox in the local park, being careful not to block the right of way, nor violate any noise restrictions or other local ordinances, urinate on the trees or defecate on cop cars. As long as I pick up my soapbox when I am finished. I can tout the qualifications of my favorite candidate for Mayor, or dogcatcher…or to make known my reasons for supporting or opposing the new Topless Bar being built in the neighborhood. All this is conditional of course on my agreement to vacate the park at the closing time stated on the sign at the entrance.


    I am permitted to write letters to the President of the United States, and any or all of my elected officials, and those other elected officials in both houses of congress or in my State House as well, assuming of course that I do not threaten them with bodily harm nor call them no-good sons-of-bitches, no matter how fervently I believe them to be no-good sons-of-bitches.


    I can write to newspapers and tell them how I feel about the new bond issue, or their endorsement of the new spending bill; or I can call in to the local radio station and register a complaint, if I am willing to be put on hold for a half hour or so, and talk for a maybe a minute before the egomaniac talk show host cuts me off.


    I can post my opinions on political discussion boards, online magazine forums, or any number of miscellaneous Blogs and Websites, and tell members of the opposition political party just what schmucks I think they are…as long as I am not offended by being called a schmuck in return.


    My freedom of speech is not limited by any movement of design of government. It is limited only by the rights of others. It is limited by the right of others to be safe and secure from harassment, intimidation, and assault. As the old saying goes: My right to swing my arms, ends where the other fellow’s nose begins.


    The First Amendment does not give one individual the right to delay, interrupt or disrupt a meeting, a forum, a speech, or any other public or private gathering in which others are involved and are participating.


    A hundred voices do not have the right to stifle one voice but neither does the one voice have the right to drown out the hundred. Freedom of Speech does not override law and decorum. I have learned in my lifetime that there are consequences, some good some bad, to almost everything we do. I can say just about anything I choose to say, publicly or privately. If I get punched in the nose for it…well, like they say…Freedom isn’t Free.


    Freedom of speech is a gate that swings both ways. It is a right to say what we want to say but it is not a right to hear only that which we wish to hear. If we are not willing to allow others the same right, then we are not deserving of ours.


    All things must be done in order or there will be anarchy. Anarchy does not recognize the First Amendment, nor does it pay much attention to the following nine.

    Jack Dallas
     
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  2. redtide

    redtide Mayor

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    The war on free speech is gaining momentum by those on the left.
     
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  3. Jen

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    Sadly, all of those restrictions you put on yourself........... defecating on police cars, harassment, assault, and all the others............are the ones that Leftists, specifically Democrats believe don't apply to them.

    Democrats feel that as they exercise their free speech, they have the right to intimidate anyone they wish and defecate wherever they want to. AND if someone like Ann Coulter wants to give a speech at Berkeley, they feel they have a First Amendment right to make her being there dangerous for her own safety so much that she cannot give the speech which they would shout down anyway.

    Something has happened to our Freedom of Speech. It has been usurped by the filthy masses who insist that only they have that right and they show us their "right" in every disgusting way possible.
     
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  4. sear

    sear Mayor

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    a) No it isn't.

    b) If by "the left" you mean liberals, then we need look no further than the dictionary to prove you wrong.

    c) Were we to accept your above stated assertion as a premise, yours is a scathing indictment of the Republican party.
    - a: For the Republicans control the exec.
    - b: Republicans control the house.
    - c: Republicans control the senate. &
    - d: Republicans even lead, and compose a majority of our supreme court.

    So if your:
    comment was true, it would mean "the left", out of power as described in a through d above, are more effective even in the minority, than Republicans are with an across the board majority.
    "The left" would be flattered to know you think so highly of them.
    I sure don't.
    Birds defecate on police cars daily. I've never seen such aerial bombardment punished under law.
     
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  5. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    My post is an indictment of Leftists/Liberals and Democrats. None of you have any respect for the First Amendment rights of anyone but yourselves.
     
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  6. Colorforms

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    The left knows how important the first amendment is, which is why they can't allow their enemies to use it.
     
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  7. Marcus Aurelius

    Marcus Aurelius Mayor Supporting Member

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    The simple truth that libturds do not understand...

    Their right to 'freedom of expression' does not entitle them to take away MY right to free expression, just because they disagree with what I express.
     
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  8. resident_evil

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    You're too polite for me. :0)

    I think there are no limits on speech. I have a right to speak any language I want. I can say awful racist things. I can literally say anything without direct legal consequence short of immediately instructing others to commit a crime. That speech is in fact a crime.

    My speech may have consequences beyond government censure (of which there is none but for the one listed exception). Individuals may ostracize me. My untempered speech may give good cause for someone to defend themselves perceiving me to be dangerous. My free speech spoken out of turn may get me ejected from public venues but most certainly from private venues. My free speech may alert authorities that I'm an ongoing criminal and I may be punished not for my speech but for my criminality related to that speech.

    My free speech does not mean others are required to listen to me. I can't compel you to hear me. I can ask you to listen. In civility I can be heard. In incivility I should not be.
     
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  9. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    I sort of disagree. I refer to the old adage about yelling fire in a crowded theater. I can say, for instance: I think I should be able to yell fire in a crowded theater." But I cannot legally yell fire in a crowded theater. There are some things we just cannot say, or should not say. Inciting a riot is against the law. Technically, Maxine Waters committed a crime when she encouraged her brain-dead followers to go out and fine Trump supporters, in restaurants, gas stations, etc and get in their faces and disrupt their lives...blah, blah, blah. Why she has not been charged with a crime is proof positive of the testicular malnourishment of the DOJ. Every Democrat politician, who has engaged in such behavior has committed what amounts to inciting riot and mayhem.
    Our freedom of speech does not give us the right the say something that might result in harm coming to another person.
     
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  10. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    But taking away OUR right of free expression is the only way they can get away with their nefarious shit.
     
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  11. resident_evil

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    You know who said you can't, "yell fire in a crowded theater?" Oliver Wendell Holmes a Justice on the Supreme Court.

    It was while he justified sending a man to prison for handing out flyers speaking out against the draft at the time for WW1. Yep, that was the reason.

    Oliver Wendell Holmes' wisdom includes saying that, "three generations of imbeciles is enough," while ruling in favor of eugenics. Oliver Wendell Holmes is overrated. :0)

    Maxine Waters committed no crime in her speech. Her speech certainly would justify issuing an order to have her investigated to see if she is actively conspiring to commit a crime; plotting and having attacks carried out. The solution to Waters would have been for congress to censure her which Republican led they did not. The other solution would have been for her to have been voted out and she was not. We have to lump it.
     
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  12. sear

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    That's not a logical argument.
    It's a simple contradiction / re-statement of your position, completely uncorroborated.
    That is a most extraordinary accusation for you to level against a conservative, honorably discharged United States military Vietnam era veteran on Veteran's Day.

    As a teenager I volunteered in time of war to place life & limb at risk to demonstrate my allegiance to the Constitution, which know it or not, believe it or not, like it or not, admit it or not, includes Article One of our Bill of Rights.

    You are monumentally ignorant.
    You are astoundingly insulting. And
    you are completely wrong about me.
     
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  13. resident_evil

    resident_evil Senator

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    I'd have been more offended that he accused me of being a leftist had I been you. ha ha

    Habitually the left says the constitution is a "living" document. Is that your shared proposition on the matter?

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  14. sear

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    I mentioned that in #12.

    If my doctor tells me I'm sick, I take a pill & lie down.
    When an unredeemable dirt-ball like JD #5 makes such accusations, I consider the source.
    I'm a man of honor, a man of conservative principle.
    I'm sworn by formal oath to bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution.
    And not only is the process to add articles of amendment legal.
    Those articles of amendment can bear on enumerations within Constitution articles 1 - 7.
    An obvious example of this is the way the 12th Amendment superseded Art2 Sect1-3.

    It's easy to Monday morning QB our Founders.
    But I consider their contribution to human advancement to be absolutely extraordinary.

    Even in the 3rd Millennium their accomplishment is a marvel.
    That they accomplished this feat in the 18th Century only adds to it.

    Reportedly Jefferson drafted our DOI on hemp paper, with quill pen, before daguerreotype could document it.
    Imagine what Jefferson could have done with a word processor.

    Thomas Jefferson wrote the rough draft of the DOI; John Adams and Ben Franklin were the editors.


    Jefferson originally wrote:


    "We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable ..." Jefferson


    Franklin expresses his reservation about that phrasing to Jefferson. Franklin explained; we're founding a new country. It's not based on assertions of religion. It's based on assertions of reason. We should reflect that religious tolerance in this writing.


    source: Walter Isaacson: author of: Benjamin Franklin: An American Life


    My formal thanks to every United States and allied veteran, and those from our Revolution to present, for the bounty we enjoy this evening.
     
  15. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    Okay, I'll buy a pound of that.
     
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  16. JackDallas

    JackDallas Senator Supporting Member

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    So did I, but after I left the military I did not join a political party that refuses to protect and defend that constitution and does everything in its power to circumvent, override, ignore, and prevent its enforcement whenever necessary to achieve an agenda it cannot win through the ballot box.
    The actions of your political party after the '16 election have been nothing less that high treason. Your people engage in sedition, riot, mayhem and insurrection. You may not commit such crimes personally but I have not seen you condemn them.
     
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  17. redtide

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    so the enforcement of political correctness and the out right censorship by those on the left is ok because they are on the left and they know what is better for US? Really?
     
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  18. sear

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    "So did I" what?
    So you're a Democrat?
    Why the haste of SCOTUS' Bush v. Gore ruling? There was still time to simply complete the Florida recount. But no. Instead the Republicans accomplished via court ruling what they had apparently failed to accomplish at the ballot box.
    Really?
    And just what exactly is it you allege the Libertarians* did?
    Rather than you continuing to beat around the bush, why not simply state your accusation plainly?
    Just what party is it you're accusing me of being a member of? al Qaida?!
    I don't recall expressing my opposition to cruelty to animals in this forum either.
    You think that's an endorsement of cruelty to animals on my part?!

    JD:
    I understand.
    You apparently think I (we) do NOT understand, recognize your low IQ, low education levels. But it's plain as day.
    You're quick to accuse, when a disciplined mind would simply ask the question: 'What's your political party?'

    I don't recall a single accusation you've made against me that is valid.
    So you're maintaining a perfect record, 100% incorrect! And you're so corrupt, so untrustworthy you're not in the least ashamed.
    That merely compounds your disgrace.

    "All honors wounds are self-inflicted." Andrew Carnegie

    I haven't disgraced you JD. You've done so entirely on your own.

    * Please visit www.lp.org
    All are welcome.

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  19. Sickofleft

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    This was all because those of you on the left decided not to let someone speak.



    But ya know please, we would all like to hear more about Birds [Unwelcome language removed] and dictionaries....:rolleyes:
     
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  20. sear

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    "so the enforcement of political correctness" rt
    You quote me, and then state that.
    I don't recall having introduced, or used the term "enforcement of political correctness".
    Because you shotgun quotation style is not specific, I can't determine what point you're pretending to be responding to.

    If you will make a comprehensible point, I can attempt a reply. But apart from you quoting me, I can't accurately guess at what you have in mind.
    Who censored whom?
     

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