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Glacier National Park removes signs that glaciers gone by 2020

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Because forecasting is a science that is still being refined, turns out that they didn’t anticipate the exact sequence of weather events that would occur in the short term, meaning the exact date of the glaciers in one small part of the country being gone might get pushed back by 10 years, but nothing changes in the grand scheme of the long-run forecast.
The key term being long run. This is where I believe the fatal flaw is in your thinking. Earth is 4.5 billion years old and its timeline much longer and slower than your thinking is.
 

EatTheRich

President
What’s your opinion of people who persist with the “we have 10 (or 12 or whatever) years to save the planet.”? They’ve been wrong on these predictions going on 40 years now and they continue to make them.
It’s a load of crap and can’t be helping the environmental movement. Do you agree?
The planet is going to be fine. It is the future of human civilization we need to be worried about. Are there some people who exaggerate? Sure. Were we in a dire situation 30 years ago when scientists’ warnings started getting urgent? Yes. Because we did not do enough in the 1990s to reduce emissions, we committed ourselves to a bit of sea level rise, more heat waves, and more powerful hurricanes for decades to come. Because we did not do enough in the 2000s to reduce emissions, we committed ourselves to a great deal more warming, huge numbers of climate refugees, more wars, mass extinction, and the loss of the Amazon rain forest and most coral reefs, and skyrocketing food prices. Because we did not do enough in the 2010s to reduce emissions, we are now committed to many of what are now large populated areas becoming uninhabitable zones and periodic evacuations to avoid deadly storms becoming a way of life for the rest of us. If we do not do a better job in the next decade, we will be looking at deadly acid rain, deoxygenation of the air, forced nomadic lifestyles, and inevitable dictatorship. It is not that we have avoided disaster in the past, it is that the scope of the disaster we can still avoid keeps getting bigger and bigger.
 

EatTheRich

President
The key term being long run. This is where I believe the fatal flaw is in your thinking. Earth is 4.5 billion years old and its timeline much longer and slower than your thinking is.
The pace of anthropogenic climate change is very, very rapid on a geologic scale though.
 
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The pace of anthropogenic climate change is very, very rapid on a geologic scale though.
Very, very rapid on a geological scale is still much slower than the doom and gloom being predicted by the same crowd whose warnings have been so wrong so many times.
 

EatTheRich

President
Very, very rapid on a geological scale is still much slower than the doom and gloom being predicted by the same crowd whose warnings have been so wrong so many times.
They have been wrong (in the marginal details) a lot less often than they’ve been spot on. Again, that is why every six months or so when one of the half dozen forecasts they make every day turns out to be wrong, we hear about it for the next six months or so.

We are talking about things taking place on a scale of decades or centuries, not millennia and certainly not tens of millions of years.
 

Nostra

Governor
Because forecasting is a science that is still being refined, turns out that they didn’t anticipate the exact sequence of weather events that would occur in the short term, meaning the exact date of the glaciers in one small part of the country being gone might get pushed back by 10 years, but nothing changes in the grand scheme of the long-run forecast.

Um, if they can't even get close with short term predictions, why should we take their word for it they know it will be 1/2 of 1 degree warmer 100 years from now?
 

EatTheRich

President
Hundreds of accurate forecasts?
List them.
It is unreasonable to expect someone to make a list of hundreds of things just to prove a point. Off the top of my head, they accurately predicted:

Unprecedented warming to within hundredths of a degree of the actual value over decades.
Increased precipitation
Stratospheric cooling
Ocean acidification
Increased range of tropical diseases
A poleward and upward shift in plant and animal habitats
An increased frequency and severity in heat waves
A decreased frequency in cold snaps
A growing imbalance between records set for heat and records set for cold
Tornadoes and Atlantic hurricanes becoming less frequent but on average more severe
More severe thunderstorms in N. America
Melting glaciers in most of the world
Expanding glaciers in specified places including parts of Antartica
Sea level rise
Changes in the isotope ratios of atmospheric carbon
More severe droughts in specified places including the American Southwest
El Niño events becoming more common and La Niña events becoming less common
Weakening of the jet stream and sudden stratospheric heating events that blasted specified areas including parts of the U.S. with cold Arctic air.
 

Nostra

Governor
It is unreasonable to expect someone to make a list of hundreds of things just to prove a point. Off the top of my head, they accurately predicted:

Unprecedented warming to within hundredths of a degree of the actual value over decades.
Increased precipitation
Stratospheric cooling
Ocean acidification
Increased range of tropical diseases
A poleward and upward shift in plant and animal habitats
An increased frequency and severity in heat waves
A decreased frequency in cold snaps
A growing imbalance between records set for heat and records set for cold
Tornadoes and Atlantic hurricanes becoming less frequent but on average more severe
More severe thunderstorms in N. America
Melting glaciers in most of the world
Expanding glaciers in specified places including parts of Antartica
Sea level rise
Changes in the isotope ratios of atmospheric carbon
More severe droughts in specified places including the American Southwest
El Niño events becoming more common and La Niña events becoming less common
Weakening of the jet stream and sudden stratospheric heating events that blasted specified areas including parts of the U.S. with cold Arctic air.

Forgive me if I don't take your 'list" at face value. Link us up to the exact predictions, and then link to the exact results.
 
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