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Goodwin puts it in honest perspective...Clinton is the Colluder

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  1. justoffal

    justoffal Governor

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    Did Hillary Clinton pull off the dirtiest dirty trick in US presidential history?
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    By Michael Goodwin |

    New bombshell information emerges from unredacted Grassley-Graham memo; panel debates on 'Hannity.'

    For law enforcement, Congress and even journalists, exposing misdeeds is like peeling an onion. Each layer you remove gets you closer to the truth.

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    So it is with the scandalous behavior of the FBI during its probe into whether President Trump’s campaign conspired with Russia in 2016. One layer at a time, we’re learning how flawed and dirty that probe was.

    A top layer involves the texts between FBI lawyer Lisa Page and her married lover, Peter Strzok, the lead agent on the Hillary Clinton e-mail probe. They casually mention an “insurance policy” in the event Trump won the election and a plan for Strzok to go easy on Clinton because she probably would be their next boss.

    Those exchanges, seen in the light of subsequent events, lead to a reasonable conclusion that the fix was in among then-Director James Comey’s team to hurt Trump and help Clinton.

    Another layer involves the declassified House memo, which indicates the FBI and Justice Department depended heavily on the unverified Russian dossier about Trump to get a warrant to spy on Carter Page, an American citizen and briefly a Trump adviser.

    The House memo also reveals that Comey and others withheld from the secret surveillance court key partisan facts that would have cast doubt on the dossier. Officials never revealed to the judges that the document was paid for by Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee or that Christopher Steele, the former British spy who compiled the dossier, said he was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected.”

    For Clinton, creating a cloud over Trump’s presidency and helping to put the nation through continuing turmoil is a victory of sorts. America is fortunate it’s her only victory.

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    A third layer of the onion involves the revelations in the letter GOP Sens. Charles Grassley and Lindsey Graham wrote to the Justice Department. They urge a criminal investigation into whether Steele lied to the FBI about how much and when he fed the dossier to the anti-Trump media.

    The letter is compelling in showing that Steele said one thing under oath to a British court and something different to the FBI. The contradictions matter because the agency relied on Steele’s credibility in both the FISA applications and its actual investigation. Strangely, even after it fired him for breaking its rule forbidding media contact, the FBI continued to praise his credibility in court.

    If that were all the senators’ letter accomplished, it would be enough. But it does much more.

    It also reveals that two former journalists linked to Clinton, separately identified as the odious Sidney Blumenthal and a man named Cody Shearer, created and gave a State Department official additional unverified allegations against Trump.

    The official passed those documents to Steele, who passed them to the FBI, which reportedly saw them as further evidence that Trump worked with Russians. But as Grassley, head of the Judiciary Committee, and Graham write, “It is troubling enough that the Clinton Campaign funded Mr. Steele’s work, but that these Clinton associates were contemporaneously feeding Mr. Steele allegations raises additional concerns about his credibility.”



    The State Department official involved in the episode, Jonathan Winer, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post Friday in which he confessed to the senators’ chronology while offering a benign description of his motives. Winer also admitted he shared all the unverified allegations from the Clinton hitmen with other State Department officials.

    There are many more layers of the onion to peel, but here’s where we are now: It increasingly appears that the Clinton machine was the secret, original source of virtually all the allegations about Trump and Russia that led to the FBI investigation.

    In addition, the campaign and its associates, including Steele, were behind the explosion of anonymously sourced media reports during the fall of 2016 about that investigation.

    Thus, the Democratic nominee paid for and created allegations against her Republican opponent, gave them to law enforcement, then tipped friendly media to the investigation. And it is almost certain FBI agents supporting Clinton were among the anonymous sources.

    In fact, the Clinton connections are so fundamental that there probably would not have been an FBI investigation without her involvement.

    That makes hers a brazen work of political genius — and perhaps the dirtiest dirty trick ever played in presidential history. Following her manipulation of the party operation to thwart Bernie Sanders in the primary, Clinton is revealed as relentlessly ruthless in her quest to be president.

    The only thing that went wrong is that she lost the election. And based on what we know now, her claims about Trump were false.

    Of the charges against four men brought by special counsel Robert Mueller, none involves helping Russia interfere with the election.

    And neither the FBI nor Mueller has vouched for the truthfulness of the Blumenthal and Shearer claims or the Steele dossier. Instead, the dossier faces defamation lawsuits in the US and England from several people named in it.

    In fairness, one person besides Steele has been cited as justification for the FBI probe. George Papadopoulos, a bit but ambitious player in the Trump orbit, met with a professor in Europe early in 2016 who told him the Kremlin had Clinton’s private e-mails.

    In May 2016, Papadopoulos told the story to an Australian diplomat and two months later, in July, the Australian government alerted the FBI.

    However, a full timeline convincingly points to Steele as the initial spark. He was hired by a Clinton contractor in June of 2016, and filed his first allegations against Trump on June 20. Two weeks later, on July 5, he met with an FBI agent in London, The Washington Post reported, and filed three more allegations that month, including one about Carter Page.

    At any rate, it is certain that Steele and other Clinton operators provided all the allegations about Trump himself that the FBI started with and that Mueller inherited.

    For Clinton, creating a cloud over Trump’s presidency and helping to put the nation through continuing turmoil is a victory of sorts. America is fortunate it’s her only victory.

    To read more Michael Goodwin on The New York Post click here.



     
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  2. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    It seems Goodwin gets paid by the word. I bolded the only parts of his rant that matter.

    So Steele, who didn't want Trump to be president, helped get a FISA warrant for Trump? Nope....Carter Page. Is Carter Page running for president? Nope. So the whole argument about the link between the Fisa warrant and Clinton is a nothingburger with cheese.

    So while you guys whine about the Steele dossier, the warrant for surveillance on Page was legal and above board. The memo from the republicans clearly shows that the dossier was not the only evidence brought to the FISC to support the request. Until the FISA application is declassified, we won't know what that is.
     
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  3. Jen

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    Any collusion was done by Hillary's campaign and by the DNC.

    ANY time the Democrats accuse anyone of doing anything bad (from racism to collusion) it is the Democrats who actually do whatever it is they are accusing.

    That is ALWAYS how it is.
     
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  4. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    So it was really the democrats who broke into the Watergate complex to bug the RNC HQ...or was it democrats who sold weapons to Iran to fund terrorists in Nicaragua?

    And can you believe the democrats would tell lies like the one about how large the crowd was at an inaugural, or that millions of illegal votes were cast for the opposition with no freakin proof at all?

    Yeah, Jen....those were republicans and we could add the lie about WMD in Iraq, for which we paid a price of 4,500 American lives.
     
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    Uhhh............... my post is about the 2016 election and here you are talking about old news. Get on the right page....please.
     
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    middleview President Supporting Member

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    You wrote:

    ANY time the Democrats accuse anyone of doing anything bad (from racism to collusion) it is the Democrats who actually do whatever it is they are accusing.

    That is ALWAYS how it is.

    When you use absolutes to condemn democrats, you need to be reminded of the corruption evident in the RNC and republican administrations....Accuracy matters and you are seldom accurate.
     
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    Yes. I wrote that and I stand by it.

    Republicans have done bad things.......................but not always like the Democrats do.
    There's your comparison.
     
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  8. RickWA

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    We know, we know...ever vigilant (of course, it is DNC-SUBSIDIZED vigilance), middleview swings into Democrat-tush-swabbing action.

    Please be sure to distract and deny in all cases where Democratic Party misconduct is apparent.
     
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  9. middleview

    middleview President Supporting Member

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    When did a democrat start a war based on a lie and get 4,500 Americans killed?

    When has a president lied as consistently as Trump?

    I've long thought that the democrats are guilty of misdemeanors and the republicans of felonies.

    You argue that Hillary is guilty of collusion with the Russians...that simply isn't true. Steele had nothing to offer any old friends he spoke to...there was no possibility of a quid pro quo...as there was with members of the Trump campaign who spoke of softening sanctions and improving relations. Steele was not part of the Clinton campaign, no matter how you twist the sequence of events. He was a contract employee of Fusion GPS. His information was never used against Trump. It was used against Carter Page.

    It is not illegal for Steele to have been in contact with people in Russia. He is not an American citizen and isn't required to report contacts with Russian government officials or ex-officials. Page, Manafort, Flynn are required to report those contacts and didn't.

    Collusion involves illegal cooperation.
     
  10. EatTheRich

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    Lots of times. Mexican War, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam come to mind.
     
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    Wow, even by the standards of the Rupert Murdoch tabloid empire, that was some weak right-wing propaganda. Just to take one item from that Gish's Gallop, was Papadopoulos a bit player? Goodwin seems to still be embracing the early lies of the Trump team, when they were insisting Trump never met with the guy and he was basically a coffee boy. Like so very many Trump statements, this was very quickly shown to be a lie, but the Trump apologists only heard the lies and never the debunking. In realty, Papadopoulos was a key member of the Trump foreign policy team and personally briefed Trump on such matters:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/715725628465680386
     
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    Come on. Just to take one item from your list, WWII wasn't started by a Democrat. It was started by Hitler, and had been raging for years before the US got involved. And even when we did intervene, it was not primarily based on any lies. It was based on a massive sneak-attack by the Japanese on America. The basic facts of that attack -- that the US had just met with Japanese ambassadors, with no hint of a coming declaration of war by the Japanese, when Japan suddenly and deliberately attacked us at Pearl Harbor, then followed up with attacks on America throughout the Pacific. You can rightly point out that the US was involved in supporting nations Japan's Axis was fighting, and you can argue that was a provocation, but Japan is the one that took the key step to bring WWII to the United States, after the US had mostly stayed out of it for years. That was the cause of American involvement --the surprise military aggression of the authoritarian Japanese empire against the US -- not some lie told by a Democrat.
     
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    middleview President Supporting Member

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    Let's start with the Civil war...what lie was that war based on?
     
  14. Sickofleft

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    More from the Obama apologist. The warrant was not above aboard it was highly unethical at the very least. The FBI and DOJ used opposition research from a foreign source bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign to gain surveillance of Page hoping it would lead to more people in the campaign. It's as dirty as it gets.....but.....as long as the Democrats are doing it, it's ok.

    The fact you guys keep pretending this is nothing is pathetic.
     
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  15. EatTheRich

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    1. " ... that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition."
    2. That the recent history of the country had been a history of northern abuses patiently borne by the south rather than the opposite.
    3. That making war against the United States was an appropriate response to the election of a president you disagreed with.
    4. That all the southern states wanted was to be left alone in peace.
     
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    Definitely the weakest example on my list. And I'll grant that both world wars started before the lies that led to American participation. But Roosevelt did claim the attack was unprovoked, and he also claimed to be defending democracy against fascism. Both lies.
     
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    1. You have evidence of the Clinton campaign commissioning the dossier?
    2. Page was not part of the campaign and .... according to Trump/Bannon/Conway ... not in contact with the campaign at the time.
    3. There is nothing unusual about police using tips from their targets' enemies to get warrants.
     
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    1) yes they do have evidence that the Clinton campiagn financed the dossier through a third party (Law Firm) so if the shit hit the fan it would not land directly on them..... it didn't work.

    2) Page was an unpaid volunteer and given his past with the FBI and the Russians he was a corrupt FBI and DOJ easiest way in. I wonder if we will ever know how many times they lied to the FISA court.......

    3) There is something highly unusual about the FBI and DOJ using unsubstantiated information bought and paid for by one campaign to gain surveillance of the other campaign...... but i am sure that is OK with you....I mean after all it was your sanctimonious morons doing it....

    Keep trying
     
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    All lies told by someone other than a democratic administration.
     
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    The attack on Pearl Harbor was unprovoked from the standpoint of any military action by the US against Japan. If you were Japanese you might argue that the refusal by the US to sell scrap steel or oil to Japan was a provocation. Since I don't see that a military attack on a nation that refuses to sell something to you is appropriate...I also don't see it as a reasonable response.
     
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